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Tuesday, August 9, 2005 - 7:57pmSanction this postReply
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right on alysha, floyd rocks

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Tuesday, August 9, 2005 - 8:31pmSanction this postReply
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Shame they felt the need to EDIT my favorite piece of all-time, "Echoes"...it needs to be heard in it's whole 23-minute glory!

And the Final Cut material was seriously underrated.


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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 2:11amSanction this postReply
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Mmm, yup, yup...

Sure... I like Dark Side of the Moon. Aurally, it's very nice. Quite soothing, but, jeez...

http://www.rogerwaters.org/politics.html

...doesn't this taint things somewhat?

Shit, guys, it's like waking up with a beautiful new girl who tells you she's just off to the local Communist Party meeting. I mean, are you gonna stick your dick in that sort of thing again?

Ross

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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 3:24amSanction this postReply
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Sorry to say it but their politics are consistent with their music. Hippy trash.

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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 4:25amSanction this postReply
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Hey you! Get off the grass Sturm, you lunatic! I'm lost for words. Stop! Take it back!

I'm putting your turning away down to one slip, a momentary lapse of reason (if not brain damage). Some of the happiest days of our lives play to this music, so you're on the thin ice. Such echoes as yours speak to me of another brick in the wall which puts into eclipse my high hopes for the sheep comming back to life. Us and them, alas. Wish you were here. Invest some of your money and time on The Floyd for just one afternoon. It will be a great day for freedom.


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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 6:13amSanction this postReply
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Tough, Rick - it was rubbish back then and it's rubbish now.  Yes, hippie trash.

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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 8:21amSanction this postReply
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"Hey you! Get off the grass Sturm, you lunatic! I'm lost for words. Stop! Take it back!"

It's too late Rickster! The words are out there for all to see and I'm happy with them and even more chuffed with your response.

Face it, it's PF fans who are on the grass, not me. How else could you enjoy all that dreary drone?


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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 8:52amSanction this postReply
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Gentlemen, if I may be so bold as to interject?
The politics of Roger Waters may not reflect those of  the rest of the band.

Hippies are not neccesarily left-wing. Many are (or were) anarchists,libertarians etc.

As the owner of several "warbirds" it is unlikely that David Gilmour, front man and songwriter is a raving lefty. Having your own jet fighter is just not P.C!

Some of the music is tedious but there are some really beautiful moments and to dismiss it all as trash is just lazy.


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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 12:37pmSanction this postReply
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(Edited by Joe Maurone
on 8/10, 1:07pm)


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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 12:54pmSanction this postReply
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Grrr. You Malcolms and you Sturms....you're asking for a wopping. Now would be a good time to zip it before I drip 10,000 lyrics on your heads.

Face it, it's PF fans who are on the grass, not me. How else could you enjoy all that dreary drone?

Two words Mr Kettle Black: "dismal" and "science".


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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 1:06pmSanction this postReply
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Rick, they're like the smartass sports fan who sits on the opposing team's bleachers and boo the team. What usually happens to those people?

"Ya call this a soccer riot?"

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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 1:09pmSanction this postReply
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Rick-
I'm with you on this one.  'Course musically I'm from the island of misfit-objectivists in that my favorite is The Cure.


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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 1:27pmSanction this postReply
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I love Pink Floyd. They have something of the effect of Dostoevsky, Camus and Nietzsche in the sense that they encourage the listener to question their values. Very, very dark stuff balanced with a grand sense of humor. That's not easy to do in art. 

The pre-Dark Side stuff is pretty whacked out and hard to listen to. Though Meddle and More have many nice moments. From Dark Side to The Wall they were on fire. David Gilmour defines his instrument at the performance level. Roger Waters is a creative genius. His Amused To Death from 1992 is a seminal work though his voice isn't as, well, strong as it was in the 70s. His lyrical delivery is second to none.

Politically, these guys are way off base. It's yet another example of how artists rarely get "bogged down" by philosophy and the truth. For example, Gilmour took at shot at America saying we should be ashamed of ourselves for not giving more money to Africa. Fuck him. But, even though they shoot off their mouth about politics they haven't studied it in depth. They're like children. Roger Waters' father was shot down and killed (he was a gunner I think) in WW2. No arguments are going to make him support war. He has it in his head that all war is bad.


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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 2:15pmSanction this postReply
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I am not a big fan of Pink Floyd myself, but with regards to the claim that they were just a bunch of hippies...

The song "Money" was always thought of as a "celebration" of capitalism. I see they didn't try to negate that interpretation until recently at Live 8 (at least that's what I heard). So their philosophy and politics may well have changed over the years.

In addition, when you think about their song, "Another brick in the wall", it is all about defending individualism against the mob mentality.

I could imagine that they use to be more liberal anarchists.

(Edited by Marcus Bachler on 8/10, 2:15pm)


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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 3:02pmSanction this postReply
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Joe

The original 23 min. version of Echoes conveys in one moment the ultimate expression of elation. I think it's like 9 or 14 minutes into it, but whenever I hear that 15 second portion of the song I am swept soaring off the edge of the cliff to the dazzling heights of human glory. I firmly hold that to be one of the finest musical expressions and the song Echoes has for years been close to the center of my being.

Dave

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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 3:44pmSanction this postReply
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Marcus - its not the lyrics that particularly bother me, although I could quote you some pretty depressing lyrics from The Wall. It's the actual music itself.

I would actually uphold Money as an example of one their better songs musically speaking, regardless of the lyrics.

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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 4:12pmSanction this postReply
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I think Floyd definitely has their moments... but they're one of those bands I got burned out on in high school. Things that make you question your unchallenged values is very important at certain stages of intellectual development but keeping too much of it around once you've done the figuring is unhealthy.  A lot of people stick to floyd because I think it was the last thing that lead them where they are now... and that's why I still have most of my Chuck Palahniuk collection.

And as to Jody,... it's good to know I'm not the only Cure fan around here.

---Landon


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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 4:22pmSanction this postReply
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I am a Cure fan and actually quite like (every single) Chuck Palahniuk book, as well. Very sharp writing. I almost put him on the "Hero Homos" thread, but for the small detail that, well, I almost lose my will to live every time I read one of his books. If it weren't for popsicles I may not have pulled through "Choke". Didn't seem quite right for the SOLO board.

Oh, and Pink Floyd sucks. I didn't even like them in high school.

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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 4:26pmSanction this postReply
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Tim,

I was looking up the lyrics to Money and I had to laugh at verse two.

Money, get away.
Get a good job with good pay and youíre okay.
Money, itís a gas.
Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash.
New car, caviar, four star daydream,
Think Iíll buy me a football team.

Money, get back.
Iím all right jack keep your hands off of my stack.
Money, itís a hit.
Donít give me that do goody good bullshit.
Iím in the high-fidelity first class traveling set
And I think I need a lear jet.

I was laughing because this song was released in 1973, and now in 2005 a lot older, what are Pink Floyd preaching themselves?

They are giving us "that do goody good bullshit"! ;-)  


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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 5:13pmSanction this postReply
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Marcus writes:
>The song "Money" was always thought of as a "celebration" of capitalism.

I am not a Floyd fan, but I think you will find that "Money" is intended ironically - a "celebration" very much in quotes. They often write in character - for example, the record executive in "Have a Cigar" who asks "which one's Pink?" is a similar parody.

Thus their "goody good bullshit" is probably reasonably consistent.

Where they come unstuck is that like most successful hippies of the era, they probably have Lear jets themselves now...;-)

>I could imagine that they use to be more liberal anarchists.

Hippies tend to be anti-authoritarian generally, and there is an strong individualist "do your own thing" streak in them, as you point out with the lyrics to "The Wall".

- Daniel

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