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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 4:34pmSanction this postReply
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G'day,-

Frank Zappa's interest by being able to accurately transcribe his work, an extremely difficult task
 
Do go on. Transcribe you say?

I have a lead from one of Zappa's interviews that he claimed to know, in a formal sense, how music could pull the strings of a listener. He spoke, in that confident way of his, as if he'd found the rosetta stone Ayn Rand anticipated in The Romantic Manifesto. Have you insight into this?


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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 8:27pmSanction this postReply
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Ever read Jourdain's book, Music, the Brain, and Ecstasy?

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 8:40pmSanction this postReply
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Oh, it's you again.

Be done with Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance in a couple days. I shall then move on to the next item in the Robert Malcom Library and hope it proves equally rewarding. Thank you.


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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 9:32pmSanction this postReply
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I second Jourdain's book, highly recommended.
And Zappa is no slouch musically, poodles aside.

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 9:36pmSanction this postReply
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HIS NAME IS STEVIE VAI
AND HE'S A CRAZY GUY
AND I RECALL THAT LAST NOVEMBER HE NEEDED A SPANKING

semi-obscure reference concluded

---Landon


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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 9:41pmSanction this postReply
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I like Satriani better. Vai is too... Zappa for my tastes.

Sarah

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 9:44pmSanction this postReply
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I spent too long in a band that couldn't decide whether or not we were a novelty act I can't really be anything but a Zappa man.

---Landon


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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 10:06pmSanction this postReply
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Ok, Landon, since you quoted THAT song, care to share the meaning behind the lyric? (I dare ya...). :)


Back in Jersey there was a band we used to gig with called the Groove Tones. Best band in Jersey. Very Zappa-esque. They were two big fat guys and two skinny guys. The fat guy's would wear Mumu's and aunt jemima masks, and the skinny guy'd wear a g string. They'd open for themselves as an 80's cover band playing cheesy hair metal wearing spandex and wigs, and then come out as the Groove Tones. Costumes did not hide their real talent, which was combining Zappa like comedy with some smoking music that was a mix of Zappa, Stevie Ray Vaughn and some insane funk improvisations. They were so fun and so damn talented. They had a rotating roster of singers, it seemed (and they tried to steal ours, after a gig where he sang with both bands, we were scared. He was loving it with those guys, and he had the right charisma to pull it off with them, too.)

Signature songs of theirs: "Dr. 11th Finger (Just don't shake his hand)", "Vulveena Cheese," and "Gay Bar theme from Police Academy." Things you could only do in the mid 90's in South Jersey.

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 10:57pmSanction this postReply
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Sounds completely Amazing wish I could've seen that.

---Landon


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Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 8:03amSanction this postReply
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Sarah, I like Satriani better too. Have you heard his latest, Is There Love in Space?, yet?

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Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 10:19amSanction this postReply
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Matthew,

Indeed I have. I like "I Like the Rain" on that one. I'm not usually one for his vocal stuff, except for "Big Bad Moon," but "Rain" is fun. Reminds me of "Moon," actually. Which is probably why I like it. :)

Sarah

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Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 10:51amSanction this postReply
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Yes, "I Like the Rain" is a fun bit of rock 'n roll, but I have to admit that of his albums I like The Extremist best, and from that albums I like "War", "Why", and "Motorcycle Driver" best. That and "Ice 9", "Crushing Day", and "Echo" from Surfing with the Alien.

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Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 1:45pmSanction this postReply
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I listen to them both for different yet similar reasons. Satch is more accessible, in some respects, he works a groove pocket. He can do things with just a surf beat that are amazing. Vai takes more listening, overall, but you see more facets. He is doing some things with composition, and technology that are pretty hardcore. It's also heartwarming to hear little snatches of Zappa's orchestrastion style in his pieces. I don't know what to say. They are friends, they both listen to and feed ideas back and forth. I tend to think of them as a pair. It's great when you see them tour together. The world is a better place with both of them in it.

There are a lot of amazing guitar players. Another one up in this range is Allan Holdsworth. Back in the eighties, my associate Mr. Maurer and I opened for him.
There are all kinds of great people to listen to, once you get started on it...


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Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 2:25pmSanction this postReply
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Ever read Jourdain's book, Music, the Brain, and Ecstasy?
 
I confess I have not, other than trying to speed read it in a bookstore once. Money is tight. The title makes sense to me.

rde
Trying to figure out which 1/4" cable is fucking up my sound.




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Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 2:30pmSanction this postReply
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I really want to thank management for fixing the image on this CD review. The first time I ever do one, and I screwed it up.

rde
Ever grateful to the backstage crew.


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Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 2:35pmSanction this postReply
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Frank Zappa's interest by being able to accurately transcribe his work, an extremely difficult task
 
Do go on. Transcribe you say?

Yes. He scored out Zappa's work. A lot of people think that Frank was just a rock guy that wrote dirty songs, but he orchestrated and arranged very intensely. He was a taskmaster. A lot of this was on the fly. There were charts here and there and everywhere. Everyone that played with Zappa had to read. The only exception was Adrian Belew (who, for being illiterate, was put into a French maid's outfit and paraded out front stage). Zappa is a true American composer. Also, he virtually singlehandedly resurrected awareness for Varese's work.

Zappa used many different complex compositional devices, like the hemiola, overlapping polyrhythms, all kinds of nonsense. His tight unison runs were amazing.

That's how Vai got his job in the group, though- he proved himself at a very young age.

To answer your question about pulling strings, I can only guess that it is taken out of context from an interview. On the other hand, I think he could do it.

(Edited by Rich Engle on 8/24, 2:37pm)


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Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 2:46pmSanction this postReply
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Zappa should have been flogged for his involvement with Varese, (even if I liked "Return of the Son of Monster Magnet"); LUMPY GRAVY I could do without, and I actually threw away the Varese CD I bought, it hurt my ears. Interesting ideas, lousy results.

Thankfully Zappa moved on past that phase. Jazz from Hell, anyone?

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Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 3:41pmSanction this postReply
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I've got Jazz from Hell, though I liked Hot Rats better.

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Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 3:45pmSanction this postReply
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I always loved Thing Fish for some reason.

---Landon


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Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 7:51amSanction this postReply
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Zappa should have been flogged for his involvement with Varese, (even if I liked "Return of the Son of Monster Magnet"); LUMPY GRAVY I could do without, and I actually threw away the Varese CD I bought, it hurt my ears. Interesting ideas, lousy results
 
Not quite. He pretty much raised Varese out of obscurity. If it weren't for Zappa, he would've never had his work performed so much. There were definitely technical issues with the recording, though- I agree it was pretty rough.


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