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Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 6:07amSanction this postReply
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It is beyond my understanding how Calopteryx Splendens got exiled while Mr. Nicholas Neal Otani did not.  Not that Mr. Nick should have been -- or that anyone should.  Every board draws trolls. 

For over 10 years, many of us numismatists enjoyed a usenet newsgroup called rec.collecting.coins that grew out of a bitnic list called coins@cobra.edu.  Not surprisingly, one of the regular posters is gay -- sheer numerical statistics demands that -- but is also active in his local ACLU on gay issues.  Therefore, it was inevitable that rec.collecting.coins was bombarded with anti-gay trollings and anti-anti-gay replies some of which might have been sock-puppets of trolls.  It was not just the waste of bandwidth but the consequences of obscene message titles in a newsgroup seeking to grow a quiet hobby by attracting children.

We toughed it out.  Some of us set filters on titles, lots of filters.  Mostly, we just ignored them.  It took a long time, but they went away.

Reading Mr. Nick's existentialism leaves me with no desire to reply.  That, to me, is always the best way to handle someone with whom discussion is impossible.

The impossiblity of discussion can be positive.  When Cal Splendid was exiled, I went back and read about a dozen posts, maybe more, in about as many threads.  "What did this poster do to get exiled?" I asked myself.  I still have no good answer.  I found it impossible to "argue" with Cal Splendid.  I simply did not know enough to disagree.  In fact, I often agreed. 

It is true that he directly criticized Ayn Rand.  I have done that and I got the same replies that he did.  For many people here, the writings of Ayn Rand are sacred texts, not to be questioned directly.  You can say, "I don't understand..."  That might lead to new ideas in Objectivism, actual contradictions to what had been believed.  However, social dynamics dictates that nothing good can come from a post that refers to Ayn Rand's laughablly childish opinions about epistemology.  Yet, that thread continues and the originator is not exiled.   I believe that as true believers, many here enjoy sparring with a troll -- but Calopteryx Splendeds was no mere troll, and those who think so should just ignore him.  As for the proper relationship of Ayn Rand to Objectivism, Ayn Rand wrote about philosophy in the same sense that Newton wrote about physics and Atlas Shrugged was her Principia.
  • I believe that the difference between Mr. Nick and Cal Splendid is that Mr. Nicholas Neal Otani is not really a threat to anyone and Calopteryx Splendeds was a threat to someone (singular or plural) who could not answer the questions implied by the statements.
I stuck with this forum -- board, blog, call it what you will --  through thick and thin, SOLO and the drinking problem and all that. I point out that I have four Atlases. Most of them did not come as a result of posts like this one ... though a few did.  It just may be that I need to be someplace else.  I don't expect to be missed.  Clearly, someone needs a vacation, and it might as well be me.

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 8/08, 6:11am)


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Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 6:39amSanction this postReply
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Michael,
Nick has posted 285 times and everyone of them has been in the Dissent section.
Glenn


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Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 7:26amSanction this postReply
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Glen is correct,

Nick is very honest in that way.


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Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 11:31amSanction this postReply
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Do you mean to imply that I am not honest?

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Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 11:38amSanction this postReply
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Cal,

I mean just what I said. Nick is a dissenter. He always posts in the dissent section. By choice. That is a sign of an honest evaluation of where his personal views are. It was a compliment to him in that regard. If you take offense to that or feel I'm poking at you, that is your business.

For the record, if I'm going to take a swipe at you, it'll have your name on it.

Ethan


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Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 11:53amSanction this postReply
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The implication was rather obvious - but of course you can always deny implications. Let me point out one thing about the difference between Nick and me: AFAIK he has started all those threads, and then a logical choice is the Dissent forum, whereas I have never started a thread myself. I've only reacted in some threads that were of interest to me, and many of them were not in the Dissent forum. Are you saying that I shouldn't have reacted to those threads while I disagreed with some of the content?

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Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 11:59amSanction this postReply
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Cal,

Have I adressed you in any way in this thread?

The "implication" is what you see. I just told you that I wasn't referring to you in that post and that if I were going to refer to you I would say so. Now you claim that I was implying you were dishonest, which means you are calling me dishonest. After taking umbrage when you just thought I was calling you dishonest, this is humorous. What do you expect me to say to this?

Ethan


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Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 12:00pmSanction this postReply
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Cal,

Never fear, you can always come back as Canis Lupus and resurrect your Objectivist reputation.

Jim


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Tuesday, August 8, 2006 - 1:03pmSanction this postReply
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Cal,
It's not always about you.


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Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 12:11amSanction this postReply
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Gee, I didn't know I was being mentoned here so often. I'm honored.

I think I did post somewhere in a thread I didn't start.

It hurts my feelings a little to hear that I am not considered a threat. However, I guess I am considered such on the OL. Some of my posts are being deleted there, and I'm not allowed to say things about others that others are sayng about me.

And, if people don't want to talk with me, if they call me a troll and a crazy exstentialist, it does seem to me that I'm a threat to them. Bridget and Ed T. are not afraid to debate with me, but perhaps some people are.  They can save face by standing back and calling me names.

bis bald,

Nick

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Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 8:27amSanction this postReply
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And, if people don't want to talk with me, if they call me a troll and a crazy exstentialist, it does seem to me that I'm a threat to them. Bridget and Ed T. are not afraid to debate with me, but perhaps some people are. They can save face by standing back and calling me names.
TROLL! CRAZY EXISTENTIALIST! (Bill saving face by standing back and calling Nick names) BLEAH! (Sticks tongue out, because he feels threatened and is afraid to debate him)

- Bill

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Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 10:26amSanction this postReply
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Bill, I got belly laughs from your Post 10 and sanctioned it.  Thanks for lightening my day.

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Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 4:12pmSanction this postReply
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Yes, why don't all you crazy Objectivists get a room together and high five each other for all those creative flames you throw at those evil non-Objectivists? You don't have many profound thoughts or intellegent points to celebrate. Everything is self-evident or derived from the self-evident.

Hey, am I going to be in trouble now, for hitting back? Prove to me you can stoop as low as the OL.

bis bald,

Nick


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Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 8:24pmSanction this postReply
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God, this is just too rich! Nick wrote:
Yes, why don't all you crazy Objectivists get a room together and high five each other for all those creative flames you throw at those evil non-Objectivists? You don't have many profound thoughts or intellegent points to celebrate.
Confucius say, he who points to others as not "intellegent" should at least learn how to spell "intelligent."

- Bill

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Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 10:12pmSanction this postReply
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You got me. I am utterly defeated. I should watch my spelling more.

Nick


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