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Post 20

Tuesday, December 9, 2003 - 6:16pmSanction this postReply
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You beat me to the punch, Sam.

I'm going to make a prediction that his bad grammar is due to American public schooling, and not due to English being his second language.

Post 21

Tuesday, December 9, 2003 - 6:40pmSanction this postReply
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Comrade Vladmir!

What time you waste here expressing views with capitalists, while the Party needs your help! How dare you spend time in your own fashion when so many comrades depend upon you! I have no choice but to report your expression of individuality to the Agency.

Comrade Peikoff
Agent of the Secret Police
Russian Military Techno-Cratic Party

Post 22

Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 5:34amSanction this postReply
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Trust me, Sam. I'm not taken in by this tripe.

Post 23

Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 11:04amSanction this postReply
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Why I, being Supreme Chairman, am spending my time in this forum?

BECAUSE I ENJOY THE CONVERSATION!!!

I spend most of my time with computer, doing mathematical planning, party work, business projects and so on. So, one of few methods of taking a rest is visiting such forums. You are very funny persons indeed!

to Jeremy:
Hey, I posted FACTS AND NUMBERS which prove my point, while you, being "rational", didn't even try to argue logically, all you said is: "you're either seriously insane, or messing around".

Is THIS an answer of an intelligent man?

No, your answer is an answer of school kid.

Post 24

Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 11:12amSanction this postReply
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In response to SamErica and Jeremy:

From Vladimir's tone I felt pretty sure he thought communism was successful to some degree, and certainly his new society expunges some of the old communist ideas.

I wished him to unequivocally show his view, but that has not been accomplished. I was particularly interested in any response to my cold mention of 'controlling' the members of a commusist society, as that is one of the prime reasons communism is regarded bad.

Certainly, on a Objectivist site, any such discussion debating individuality seems worthwhile to induce.

I was pushing the subject, and, as was correctly stated, I do think there is some worth in discussing topics such as these.

In any theory, we shouldn't limit ourselves to only doing research into those things that favour our theory, we must actively research other opinions that abound, as often these other opinions will help clarify the justification for our theory.

If there is any chance that such a Technate society might come into being in the future, there is good reason to discuss it now.

Especially since Vladimir is such a fan of Soviet policy, why waste such a golden opportunity to learn more about this vastly different train of thought. Wanting to know more doesn't have to imply doubt in our own conviction, but even if it does, so what? Exploring this alternate path will most likely provide us with more knowledge, and perhaps more justification/understanding of our own theory.

Holding an individualist philosophy shouldn't prevent us from wanting to understand other philosophies.

Vladimir, I truly am interested to know your position on this point. In such a society, how do you propose to ensure that the individuals conform?

Another point I want to bring up is that very often experience comes from trying things ourselves, under our own guidance, etc. In a society as your proposed one, where individuals are seen as idea providers, how would you improve the general value of ideas produced? In other words, how do you increase the experience of the individuals involved.

Are certain individuals trained/bred for certain vital tasks?

Post 25

Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 12:20pmSanction this postReply
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Vladmir:

What is the purpose in life, if not happiness? Suppose collectivism creates an effecient society, suppose the productive power increases, suppose innovation at gunpoint is possible. So what?

Post 26

Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 12:30pmSanction this postReply
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What am I expected to do, Vlad? Spend a few hours of my time searching the web? Drive to the library and peruse through Soviet Russian history? Waste a ~second~ of my time debating your garbled, non-contextual "facts and numbers" in hopes of proving the falsity of your beliefs? I don't ~have~ that time, nor would I spend more than five minutes letting you know how ridiculous I think you are, if I did have it.

Don't assume that because I ignore whatever silly "facts and numbers" you post to ~support your "position"~ that I concede any issue. You're a joke, for whatever reason you post here (insanity or fun). It's impossible for me to take seriously sentences such as: "Using our latest Russian technologies we can gradually "scan" thoughts of target human without even letting him know (so-called "hidden interrogation system"), violating liberty of mind."

What in all hells am I supposed to think of someone who would put ~that~ up?

Vertigo, you're confusing intellectual openness with outright self-condemnation. If you believe a serious, logical discussion with Vlad is within the realm of possibilities, you damn yourself. If you can ignore the crap he posts in an effort to attain a better understanding of said crap, feel free. I can't. I don't give a flying fizzle-fuck what this "man" has to say about anything; I'm unable to forgive what I consider malevolence.

Yeah, the five minutes is up, so I'm done.

Post 27

Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 2:12pmSanction this postReply
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to Jeremy:

You are a stupid and, what is much worse, uncurious person.

Of course, I agree that you should not waste hour searching the web. But you at least could asked me to put a link! Well, here's the link.

You don't believe in my claims we are able to do psy-probing and psy-correction? You don't believe we can "scan" your mind without even letting you knowing?

Well, here's quite detailed description of this technology and how it works. Don't worry, it is scientific work, and has 426 links to other scientific works.

http://www.nonkill.front.ru/Archiv/psytech.htm

Behold, my stupid and uncurious friend.

Post 28

Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 2:56pmSanction this postReply
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Hey, that's great. A link to a random Russian site, written in HEY, RUSSIAN! Great job, "Vlad" you can link to things. I suppose we have to believe you now.

Vertigo and Jeremy: I have to side with Jeremy. Vertigo, I understand and respect your curiosity and willingness to honestly question and debate any belief, but you have to understand that "Vlad" is not being honest with anyone. MAYBE if he admits that this is all a stupid joke, apologizes for wasting our time with fiction-stories and meaningless links, then MAYBE we can engage in an honest discussion about collectivism and individuality.

If he's a collectivist, fine, I'd love to debate this issue. But first Vlad, let's be honest. Everyone sees through you.

Post 29

Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 3:08pmSanction this postReply
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Vlad ... you're a riot. You're making my day. EOM

Post 30

Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 3:24pmSanction this postReply
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to Tommy:

HEY!!! TAKE _ANY_ ONLINE RUSSIAN-TO-ENGLISH TRANSLATOR AND USE IT!!!

DON'T YOU "RATIONAL" PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO USE ONLINE TRANSLATOR!!!

EVEN PEOPLE IN ISLAM FUNDAMENTALIST FORUM KNOWN HOW TO USE ONLINE TRANSLATOR!!!!!!!!

What a bunch of idiots... I think I am wasting my time here.

Post 31

Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 4:33pmSanction this postReply
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Yes, you are.

Post 32

Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 6:11pmSanction this postReply
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This is amazing!
A guy calling himself "supreme commander", who advocates that "individualism is a scourge", that the only means to advanced progress is "structured collectives", and that war and conquest are the primary impetus to social and technological advancement?
Does this guy actually interest anybody? The most you can say about him is that if he IS part of a "revolutionary group", it's one that we want NOTHING to do with.

If he's trying to recruit people in, he failed miserably. I hope what passes for the political power-structure in Russia squashes Comrade-commisioner Vladimir's little batch of Techno-Reds into oblivion.
It's Gulag-time for you, Comrade wanker.

This is probably just Steve M. whacking at us again.

Post 33

Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 7:09pmSanction this postReply
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I just did a Google search (heaven knows why I bothered), for "Russian Technate". The only thing I found was a single post on www.americasdebate.com, under the Username "Engineer Kimov", talking about how the "old major Kimov is gone, I am a new man", and how he "learned much".
Basically, he seems like a noisy spam-artist, and if he DOES actually have a political movement put together, it's doomed to failure by it's own ineptitude.
Supreme Commander Vladimir Kimov WOULD be entertaining, if we were interested in debating "Techno-Bolsheviks", but we do not. Why does he continue to create discussion-threads? Pathetic.

But I'll play along.
Henceforth (in case anybody is interested), I am Commanding General of "Rand's Raiders", an Objectivist paramilitary junta.
If anybody wants "proof" of it, I'll go over to the local mall and whip up a bunch of cheap business cards with the name on 'em.
I'll even go so far as to put up a really incoherent site on Geocities (since we all know that the way to run a paramilitary revolutionary movement is to whip up a website on a free web provider.)
Then, since it's an Objectivist organization, I'll concentrate my efforts at recruitment/visibility on fundamentalist christian boards. The more slapped-together and stupid I can make it, the better.
Maybe I can waste huge amounts of other people's time, and be a generalized moron.

Sound like a plan? Francois Tremblay can be our French Liason. It'll be a hoot!

Hell, if "Project Ragnarok 2012" comes out like I want it to, we'll all look back at this, from the "Citadel of Government" on the mooon, and laugh!

This guy is a hoot!

Post 34

Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 9:10pmSanction this postReply
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Hokay, your Supreme Excellency, if you really do have a political movement then there must be some press coverage of you and your henchmen. Why not link to one of the newspapers?

I don't believe that I'm even talking to you as I think that you're incarcerated somewhere and have all your time available for your delusions of grandeur. In this way I'm abetting them.

Way to go, Vlad. You're getting a lot of attention. That's the object, isn't it?

Post 35

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 2:11amSanction this postReply
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Engineer Kimov? Techno-bolsheviks? Well, I suppose it is young communist and technocrat Igor Kimov. He is in our movement, and is quite useful - he is good programmer. He made sites technocracy.narod.ru and technocracy.boom.ru , but they are not very interesting because there is no photos. You can visit these sites (they are identical) and read some about us.

Now about media. You can go to Russian search system, like yandex.ru and write "военно-технократическая партия" (which means "Military-Technocratic Party"). HELL!!! Formatting problem.

Well, media firms like "Russian Idea" are informed about our existance.

Post 36

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 11:12amSanction this postReply
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Vlad:
Let's cut the crap: what do you want? Are you trying to have us capitalist Objectivists join your quest for the "russian Technate?" What exactly is your goal here, other than going on endlessly about your grandiose plans for "techno-bolshevik" Revolution?
If Engineer Kimov and you are NOT the same guy, the it's too bad, because he actually seemed to have SOME ideas what he was doing.

Post 37

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 1:05pmSanction this postReply
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Here's why I am here:

1.It is training in skills of propaganda

2.It is experiment in learning how unflexible and blind you are; I shown you video with soldiers and tanks on test ground with our logo on it, and you still don't believe we exist, seems that you obviously blind; if you are REALLY intellectual elite, than crushing society in which intellectual elite is so blind will be easy

3.I enjoy showing you how pathetic you are

But I am getting bored. When people here admit our superiority, I will most likely leave the board.

Post 38

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 1:53pmSanction this postReply
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Yeah, we are blind for not being gullible

Post 39

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 2:27pmSanction this postReply
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OK, you don't trust me, it is OK. You don't trust documents and fragment of economic plan of Technate, it is OK. You don't trust photo of myself in Russian General uniform with military awards, it is OK. But you saw TROOPERS WITH TECHNATE LOGO on shooting range and on streets of Russian cities and TANK WITH TECHNATE LOGO moving through test zone and firing! THE FACT IS THAT you don't believe your own eyes!!! If you don't believe your own eyes, you are BLIND!

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