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Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 1:50pmSanction this postReply
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I must confess to enjoying the music of John Coltrane. Not so much his early music doing Jazz traditionals for Miles Davis, but his mid to late period music (especially the albums made with Tyner, Garrison and Jones).

What do you guys think of Coltrane?

George

PS: my favorite Coltrane album is Crescent, closely followed by Sun Ship.

(Edited by George W. Cordero on 9/16, 1:51pm)


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Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 2:17pmSanction this postReply
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I've never been able to understand why so many Objectivists have a problem with jazz.  I am awestruck at the level of ability it takes for an entire ensemble to improvise a musical rendition at the drop of a hat.  Do you realize what kind of talent and musical knowledge it takes to do that?

I hate to draw a food analogy (blatant lie), but master chef Charlie Trotter approaches food the same way -- he never makes a dish the same way twice.  He is able to do so because his culinary knowledge is so extensive.  He literally improvises in the kitchen.  He learned this approach from his father -- a jazz musician.

Such a solid base of knowledge enables us to make life more colorful.  That's why I am able to create limericks on demand, written on bar napkins.

To such genres of talent, I say:  Magnificent!

Jennifer


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Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 2:39pmSanction this postReply
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I too am confused as to the problem with jazz. Anyone care to enlighten me?

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Tuesday, March 29, 2005 - 2:24pmSanction this postReply
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Found it.  I was reading some articles on the net on minimalist art and came to something linked here explaining that minimalism is evil.  That's pretty good.  I like it.  I had to find a thread at least somewhat related to why non-representational, minimalist, post-modern, etc art is evil.  St. John Coltrane seems close enough.  I would also like to know why objectivists are so down on non-representational art.  Coltrane and be-bop, Malevich and Suprematism, any combination of modern artists and styles, mediums etc. logically arrive as the artist, in their respective study, reaches the end of innovation up to their time.  There becomes a logical step forward.  In Malevich or Coltrane's case, that next step was to create a work that encompassed the history of art to their time, with further innovation and expression of their zeitgest.  I think objectivists may be frightened that there exist expressions so wide in scope that they can contain an entire history.  They cry keeping it real, yet they should try keeping it right. 

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Tuesday, March 29, 2005 - 8:14pmSanction this postReply
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Hmmmmmm - limericks, huh.... used to do iambic pentameters, a la Shakespearean soliloquies to the bar maids - as you said, improvisional... was a lot of fun, too.....

No problem here with jazz, except it comes on at 10 or 11 at night, and thus don't hear much of the all-nite shows.....

And thematic variations are oft considered as improvisional for rendering works, even with the tight realism of mine, and thinking in terms of theme/titlings...... and yes, even when cooked for living, rarely did the same quite twice - tho never thought it as being improvisional, even as looking back on it, yes, it indeed was..... interesting...


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Tuesday, March 29, 2005 - 11:28pmSanction this postReply
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I love Coltrane, jazz. My favorite of his is "Equinox." Just takes you away.

I suspect the problem some Objectivists have with jazz (at an intellectual level) is that Ayn Rand didn't like it, or however much of it she actually listened to.


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Tuesday, March 29, 2005 - 11:40pmSanction this postReply
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Problem with Jazz???

Am i missing something? 
I wasn't aware of an Anti-Jazz movement, and can't see a rationale for one seeing how Jazz Music has such a vibrant sense of freedom, and life....

As for Coltrane,

I think his collaborations with Johnny Hartman are amongst his best work.



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Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 11:13amSanction this postReply
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Oh, what the hell, I'll post this anyway. I'm just someone with too much time on my hands.

                            A Review: Syd "Styg" Brixham's Concert

 

By Paul Hibbert

 

Last night the residents of Santa Fe, NM were privileged to witness a most astounding concert, the likes of which will assuredly not occur again in their lifetime. Syd "Styg" (named from his blues period) Brixham and his orchestra played "I'm Glad There is You" at the Lensic Theater to an audience of about 200 people. I was first puzzled by how this phenomenal work was able to be kept under wraps but later I was informed that Brixham never used his new technique in rehearsals — the orchestra was at first horrified that he had abandoned his conventional style but quickly realized what a wonderful thing was occurring.

 

The piece starts of with the horns of the traditional big band sounding the familiar slow and slightly dissonant three notes, "duh-duh-duhha" ("In this world") and then is joined by Brixham on his trumpet.  What Brixham does with this instrument is something that has never been heard before. His notes are like acrobats, unencumbered by the laws of gravity and inertia, plucking fruit from some celestial tree. The intricacies of his improvisations are without compare but, magically, the audience was never left without the basic theme, as if there were another hidden trumpet carrying the tune. His melodic excursions left the listeners breathless, testing them time and time again in their ability to keep up, but no one was left behind. His sensitivity, purity of tone and inflection were absolutely marvelous. For forty-five minutes he continued with ever new and innovative interpretations — leaping, soaring.

 

When the final note was played there was complete silence for perhaps ten seconds and some members of the orchestra, not knowing what was going on, put their hands to their foreheads to look out to the audience, others started shuffling to leave the stage. Then one man from the audience shouted, "No!" and the audience, overcome by emotion, left their seats and surged forward to the stage. Never have musicians been so lauded. For half an hour there was nothing but cheers and tears. They were frantic in their adulation. At one point Brixham attempted to get them to quiet down so that he could introduce the members of the orchestra individually, but to no avail.

 

The explanation for the phenomenon of Brixham is elusive. I believe that he has gained access to some universal, hitherto unknown, cognitive function of the human psyche and is able to communicate with it in some mysterious way.  He has discovered a new kind of music, "meta-music" if you will. What this will be finally called I have no way of knowing, and at present Brixham is the only exponent of it. I am unsure if this new form of expression can be learned by other musicians — perhaps it's only the unique combination of the mind, lips, lungs and fingers of Brixham that can accomplish it, but we can only hope that he is only the first of many such musicians. His new music is sure to influence the arts and culture in a very profound way, not only here but in other countries as well, with only positive results.

 

 As of today Styg Brixham has irrevocably transformed music and if the members of the audience know what is good for them they will hold onto their ticket stubs. They will soon become wealthy.

 

In this world of ordinary people
Extraordinary people
I'm glad there is you

In this world of over-rated pleasures
Of under-rated treasures
I'm so glad there is you

I live to love, I love to live with you beside me
This role so new, I'll muddle through with you to guide me

In this world where many, many play at love
And hardly any stay in love
I'm glad there is you
More than ever, I'm glad there is you

(Edited by Sam Erica on 3/31, 9:26am)


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Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 1:52pmSanction this postReply
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Ok, now I want to hear it...bet it would sound great next to the Concerto of Deliverance.


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