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Sunday, May 1, 2005 - 7:04pmSanction this postReply
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Anyone heard of Rep. John Linder's (R-Ga) Fair Tax Act?

Here's the act.

Here's the site.

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Sunday, May 1, 2005 - 10:07pmSanction this postReply
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Its sad that the looters actually can put the word "Fair" with their tax, and then people don't realize the dichotomy, and then pay the taxes.

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Monday, May 2, 2005 - 12:24amSanction this postReply
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"Fair" is one of those words without much meaning. Democrats and the IRS love to talk about people paying their fair share -- in this context, "fair" is like "social", a prefix meaning "the opposite of".

That being said, a consumption tax instead of an income tax sounds like a terrific idea. For one thing, it ends the government intrusions into our finances, and for another, you pay the high taxes every time you buy something, and the cost is more immediate and perceived than withheld income, so people would probably be more inclined to reduce taxes after such a system was in place.

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Monday, May 2, 2005 - 5:07amSanction this postReply
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The 'fair' only means everybody is to suffer the taxing, not some or most...

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Monday, May 2, 2005 - 5:57amSanction this postReply
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This does nothing to lower taxes, and would only shift around how they are collected. If it was the question between 23% theft via IRS vs. 15% theft (with corresponding reduction in govt spending) via consumption tax, the latter would be a clear winner. IRS would clearly be preferable if the numbers were reversed. Given that the tax is to still be 23%, however, the only consideration would be whether the other factors are less bad with consumption tax instead of income tax.

Obviously there would be a big one-time loss to businesses to switchover for more training, point-of-sale software upgrades, etc.

Trade off some transaction costs of companies doing withholding every two weeks and citizens spending 10s of hours each year doing tax forms with transaction costs of recording taxes on each transaction. Costs at payday are reduced but not eliminated in the majority of states which still have state income tax. Costs of adding collection of sales tax is entirely new in the few states which do not have a state sales tax.

Trade off federal government being aware of what you make - for instead knowing everything that is legally bought and sold.

With the same tax level, a one-time cost to change over, and what seem to me like higher transaction costs and decreased privacy, this 'fair' tax proposal actually manages to sound like a losing proposition compared to income tax and IRS.


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Monday, May 2, 2005 - 6:22amSanction this postReply
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myself, prefer income tax over sales - can avoid easier..... : )

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Monday, May 2, 2005 - 7:49amSanction this postReply
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While I am a big fan of a flat tax IMO the "fair tax" is a very bad idea. If I understand it correctly:
  • New homes would be taxed. "Used" homes would not. This would lead to an unwarrated windfall to all sellers of used homes — and in fact, all used goods.
  • Tourism would be adversely affected. Tourists would be paying for our government services whereas before the fair tax they would not.
  • International agreements on withholding taxes would have to be re-negotiated. Currently, U.S. recipients of income from foreign sources have a percentage of that income withheld by the foreign government and credited to their U.S. taxes. This is reciprocal. It would be unfair to have the U.S. residents also pay sales tax. (I am in this situation and it would devastate me as all my income is from a foreign source.)
Until these problems can be overcome I will resist this concept.

Sam


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Monday, May 2, 2005 - 7:58amSanction this postReply
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My ears were perked by this Q&A excpert:

cumming, GA: You know I support the Fair Tax proposal 100%; but, elected officials bask in the power to "buy" votes with the ability to confer "benefits" to various consitutiency [sic] groups via the "social engineering" feature of the income tax method. How can you persuade even a majority of politicians (268 of them) to give that up? Ron M.

Rep. John Linder: I don't intend to persuade them. I intend to persuade their constituents that freedom is better than coercion, and they will convince the politicians. [Emphasis added]


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Edit: Fixed link. Thanks Jeff (it was the spellcheck).
(Edited by Sarah House
on 5/02, 9:43am)


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Monday, May 2, 2005 - 9:37amSanction this postReply
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The strikes might have something to do with the spell checking feature because that's the tag it uses for misspelled words. Try a post without using spellcheck or try posting with firefox which uses a "gimpy" text entry box and enter your own html for the link.

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Monday, May 2, 2005 - 9:26pmSanction this postReply
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Aaron, I think you greatly underestimate the costs of compliance with the current U.S. tax system.  Here is one fairly comprehensive discussion of those costs:
http://www.taxfoundation.org/compliance2002.html


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