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     No matter how much effort Objectivism’s official spokesmen invest in philosophical clarity and precision, their blind worship of the philosophy’s progenitor will prompt outsiders to confuse evaluations of her with evaluations of her ideas.  Their attempts to whitewash any and all blemishes have the opposite effect of what the spokesmen intend: outsiders see it as a lack of intellectual honesty on the part of the philosophy’s advocates—and begin to wonder if this does not cast doubt on the truth of the ideas.

     This would be true for any intellectual movement, but the impact is compounded for Objectivism.  Because its foundation rests on respect for the facts of reality, the whitewash gives newcomers good basis to dismiss the entire philosophy as phony without further study. 

     When chief Objectivist spokesman Leonard Peikoff opened the Ayn Rand archives to the author of this masterpiece of convoluted, mind-numbing pseudo-analysis, he may well have set the Objectivist movement back 37 years, deflecting attention away from the crystal clarity of Rand’s ideas and back on the self-defeating schism that has enabled him to rule with virtual papal infallibility over the Objectivist ‘establishment’ since Ayn Rand’s death in 1982.

     Good move for Dr. Peikoff.  Bad move for the future of Objectivism.

     Defenders of the book (hereafter PARC) will cite various reasons, their devotion to the memory of Ayn Rand being foremost among them.  But no serious reader of the Branden books will put down this volume with any higher level of respect for her.  Her admirers know full well that, whatever her faults, she remains the greatest writer and thinker of the 20th Century.   Despite PARC’s endless allegations, the truth is that the Brandens made no attempt to deny their own culpability or to detract from the glory of Ayn Rand’s legacy.  It is absurd to suggest that this book ‘sets the record straight.’  No one outside the triangle of Rand, her husband and Nathaniel Branden can possibly know the full truth about that notorious and tragically destructive affair.  On that account, this book adds nothing but obfuscation and peculiarly vicious ad hominem.

     It is fascinating to read Ayn Rand’s personal journal, but it is not necessary to read her words to empathize with her pain—and her pain does not exonerate her of blame nor diminish the suffering endured by her husband or Branden. (At one point, PARC’s author asks us to believe that Ayn Rand’s husband may not have been the least bit disturbed by his wife’s love affair.  Is it necessary to elaborate further on the author’s “objectivity”?)   For those who were not involved, it must remain a story without heroes or villains—or innocent victims.

     Others insist that it is important to make the case for the ‘other side.’  The author certainly does that.  PARC insists that Rand was a saint and that Nathaniel and Barbara Branden were ‘immoral’.  Now there’s a shock.  Only a novice would not be aware that, from the perspective of orthodox Objectivism, this is scarcely a distinction.  In his essay, “Fact and Value,” Dr. Peikoff branded most advocates of “inherently irrational” ideas (i.e., pragmatism, egalitarianism, et. al.) as dishonest and, therefore, immoral.  So PARC’s author devotes 400 plus laboriously footnoted pages to proving that the Brandens are, well, pretty much like everyone else.  (Many Objectivists, needless to say, regard Peikoff’s sermonizing to be rationally indefensible and blatantly counterproductive to the spread of the philosophy.  The same could be said for this book.)

     A large part of PARC’s indictment of the Brandens consists of tediously documenting various inconsistencies in their accounts.  Yet the author glosses over some major inconsistencies that do not favor his case.   Ayn Rand is eulogized throughout the book for never straying from her strict moral principles.  Then why is it that, eight days after she first condemns Nathaniel Branden as “the most immoral person I have ever met” (July 4, 1968), she asked him to tell her exactly what she meant to him?  (“We talked personally.  Neither of us wanted to stop.”)  The author would have us believe that, when Ayn Rand is indulging in it, “tolerance” suddenly becomes a virtue. 

     Another clue to the author’s ‘objectivity’ can be observed in PARC’s contention that Ayn Rand was absolutely devoid of jealousy in her actions toward Branden and that Branden made all the sexual overtures in the last year of their relationship.  Rand supposedly “came to terms” with the end of their romance as early as January, 1968.  If that’s true, why do you suppose (as the author admits) Branden gave her the famous “letter” in July of 1968 in which he “rejected” her romantically? And why does Ayn Rand proceed to write a lengthy response in which she attacks his desires for her rival (Patrecia) as “silly, trashy, vulgar and juvenile”?    

     Others have claimed that the book serves a worthwhile purpose by shining new light on a controversy that has not and will not go away.   But it will not go away precisely because Peikoff and his flock do not want it to go away.  The books authored by Barbara and Nathaniel Branden, whatever their flaws, were obviously written with the hope of trying to heal a very deep and agonizing wound.  PARC not only reopens it but injects that wound with a vile and repugnant venom, spewing muck and mucous in everyone’s face, insuring that Objectivism’s internal squabbles will continue to fester and infect the movement for years to come.


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And the decibels of this disenchanting discourse continue to dampen the day...
No matter how much effort Objectivism’s official spokesmen invest in philosophical clarity and precision, their blind worship of the philosophy’s progenitor will prompt outsiders to confuse evaluations of her with evaluations of her ideas.  Their attempts to whitewash any and all blemishes have the opposite effect of what the spokesmen intend: outsiders see it as a lack of intellectual honesty on the part of the philosophy’s advocates—and begin to wonder if this does not cast doubt on the truth of the ideas.
 You judge a book from a review and a review from a book- but I havn't read the book. With that qualification: Great review. Stick around.


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Dennis and Rick I'm glad you give enough info to allow people to find out where your coming from. Your belief (in yourselves?) that advocates of pragmatism and egalitarianism are honest and rational is touching.

P.S.(they don't charge for spaces between paragraphs)



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The book doesn't damage Objectivism. In fact it may help Objectivism because it will damage the Ayn Rand Institute.

The ARI is based on two premises: 1) that Ayn Rand speaks from beyond the grave in regard to current issues through the ARI and 2) the deification of Ayn Rand. Almost all ARI supporters have read or will read this book. All they will learn is that she wasn't a deity. They will have to fall back on Ayn Rand was a remarkable human being, but they'll have to read the Brandens' books to truly appreciate that. The Passion of Ayn Rand's Critics is a Trojan Horse turned on its makers.

--Brant

PS: I suspect that many ARI supporters have already read or reread The Passion of Ayn Rand because of Valliant's book. If so the irony is almost too rich to bear. If Valliant can look at Barbara's book with a fine toothed comb and magnifying glass everyone has permission. Soon they will discover they never needed permission and they are personally in a silly situation.


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Decibels, disenchanting, discourse...

Your belief (in yourselves?) that advocates of pragmatism and egalitarianism are honest and rational is touching.

I do, I do. 9/10 Libz I know started out on the other side of the fence. But I don't believe in an us/them dialectic, rather a Spaghetti Western dialectic:

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly [#ref]

The Passion of Ayn Rand's Critics is a Trojan Horse turned on its makers.
Interesting line of thought, but of course I don't care. Whoever benefits in battle from horses like these does so in a phyrric war- that's my line.

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Thursday, June 30, 2005 - 5:08amSanction this postReply
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Sorry I deleted my previous post, I wasn't thinking right this morning, I have still  some catholic residue in me.
 yes!Ideas do belong to individuals.

In regard to the book please don't hate me for what I am going to say: I personal think that  LP. wants  Barbara Branden and especially Nathaniel Branden dead, yes dead. A book written where  BB, and NB are depicted as they are is a book written not with the intent to tell the students of objectivism who ayn rand really was, but with the intent to destroy the Brandens. This book is a life long meditated vendetta.It has nothing to do with objectivism or anything else.
 It makes me sick.!!!
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Thursday, June 30, 2005 - 12:29pmSanction this postReply
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This post had a lot of real in it, which, according to my calculations, should result in the following statistics:

1. About a third will respond by saying put a fork in it, it's over, Johnny
2. About a third will mount some kind of rebuttal, but for varied reasons. Quality may vary based on manufacturer (see EPA document on Randroids)
3. About a third will discuss finer points of the book.
4. A few folks will vehemently agree with pretty much all of it.

I guess I'm displaying my tendency to be a pragmatist by agreeing with Rick and others to a certain extent, even though I'm a documented flame-fanner from way back. The thing is, though, it's going to keep happening, and it kind of has to keep happening. It's an itch that you can never seem to finish scratching.

As soon as I think I'm done with it, it starts pissing me off again. Not just emotionally, but intellectually as well. I'm suprised I'm still passionate about it.  

But "it" really isn't this book- it was only a matter of time before something like this came out, even though pickin's aren't really that slim for attorneys wanting to author books. For my money, the only time I will plunk down to read a book by an attorney is when it's about a case he was involved in, and even that's stretching it. I read Helter Skelter, and that pretty much got it done for me. As far as Valliant (who no doubt due to his intense PR schedule seems to have gone into full lurker mode around here), I think he was very weasel-like in not answering basic questions that I and a few others asked him. Whatever.

So what have we learned? Yes, definitely for sure O'ism has an ugly side, and it has and always will have Fundamentalists. I liken them in obnoxiousness and holier-than-thou-ness to freshly minted Born Again Christians. I can say that because I spent many years being a  harsh, judgmental, self-righteous Objectivist prick. I think it is something that wisdom and experience eventually come to and groom. Or not.  It's always been a young person's thing as far as discovery goes, and that's good. I wish I had read Atlas sooner (I was 24).

I am convinced that the movement would have been much more effective if Nathaniel had ended up running it (assuming he would've cared to). But on the other hand, he wouldn't have ended up doing what he did, and a lot of us value that work heavily. On a functional, day-to-day basis, his work has had as much and likely more impact on my life and my familiy's life than even O'ism.

I also believe that, while surely LP is not a bad person, he never has had the grapes to do what needed to be done. What he did, in a lot of ways, was freeze the movement into a museum piece. 

How nice would it have been if we had all been more rational, more organized?  Big picture, Objectivism is a pinprick on the radar screen. I know this sounds like Frankenstein surgery, or more likely what happens when you fiddle around with matter-antimatter, but how good would it have been to have a single voice? Meaning, ARI (maybe in a historical/curator something or other), TOC, and The Branden Institute for Self-Esteem? But, the supposed bright beacon of rationalism absolutely cannot come together on a wholistic organizational level. How significant is that? People that spearhead reason, and business can't do what entities with not two drops of their magnitude can do? 

It is no different, less messed up, or less whacky than the poor Libertarian Party. Maybe, by design, it is not supposed to be.

I belong to the Unitarian Universalist Association, which is of course one of those dreadful mystical outfits. It is fringe (1000 churches in the U.S.), and it is heavily diverse, and, you know what? In terms of structure and efficacy it runs circles around the O'ist movement. Most orgs do.

Where it all leads me is that it might be a pipe dream to think this movement will ever be more than it is. Maybe what it is is OK enough. I wish it weren't like that, but it seems to be the nature of the beast, at least at the moment.


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Some very thoughtful comments—all very much appreciated.

Rick—Thanks.  I will.

Glenn---You might want to re-read my essay and reconsider whether anything I said implied that pragmatists and egalitarians are rational.  However, a great many of them may well be honest.  With all the mistaken philosophical viewpoints we encounter every day, it is just silly to suggest that all or most of the confused people who support them are dishonest.  And such accusations throw up a communication barrier that forbids further discussion or rational persuasion.

Brant---This book will not change ARI.  The author of PARC, like Peikoff and his bootlicking cohorts, believes that anything he does in the name of defending Ayn Rand makes him ipso facto “moral”.   It is a form of pseudo-self-esteem, almost a neurosis, and it insulates true believers from reason and reality.  Few of them will do more than give this elaborate, encyclopedic diatribe more than a cursory review, at best.  But they will point to PARC as “proof” of their righteousness and use it as a substitute for thought.

      But the real damage is the impression newcomers will take away from this book.  It is so vicious, so vile, so patently anti-objective, that readers will take one look at it and want nothing further to do with Ayn Rand or her philosophy.  And who could blame them? 



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Hi Dennis,

I agree with just about everything you wrote except the part about the impact the book will have. It is a fizzle.

Valliant is so blatantly biased and mean-spirited that, on a reality check, the book is simply not selling, so his real impact outside the Objectivist world probably will be close to nil. The potential is there, as it is with all publicly released material, so his liability for attempted libel and slander is squarely on his own shoulders and those of the publisher. So far, though, he is laying an egg.

Valliant is actually showing Objectivists the need for consistency if you want to spread ideas, since he has been unable to cash in on Ayn Rand's name to make his book sell. You simply cannot preach reason and objectivity and be maliciously spiteful at the same time - not even if you do it leaning on new previously unpublished work by Ayn Rand. People get bored. They go elsewhere. They buy other books.

Also, his style is so pedantic and sneering that I do not imagine many outsiders to Objectivism will get through more than a few pages or do more than skim before putting it down and moving on.

I share your outrage, though, that this bone-headed irrational approach was perpetrated in the name of Ayn Rand and degraded her own writing to the extent that a best selling authoress ain't selling and is only being discussed on free, relatively low-traffic Internet sites.

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Michael-

You know, though- this is nothing for her work to survive through.

 It was kind of funny, I was haunting one of my favorite bookstores over in the University Circle area here in Cleveland, and I saw these two college kids with backpacks standing in front of the "R"s looking at the anniversary edition of Atlas. I wanted to go over there and talk to them, but I just let them be. Hopefully they didn't steal the thing... :) If they did, they're really going to feel like crap when the read it...


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 "Hopefully they didn't steal the thing... :) If they did, they're really going to feel like crap when the read it..."

As opposed to Nathaniel Branden, who received papal solvency for stealing THE FOUNTAINHEAD? ;)



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As opposed to Nathaniel Branden, who received papal solvency for stealing THE FOUNTAINHEAD? ;)
 
Yeah, well...I've compromised my principles on occasion too, when I wanted to get laid really bad. ;)


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  Thank you alchohol.

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Michael,

 

Thanks for the feedback, but PARC does not have to be a big seller to do serious damage.  Such moronic drivel could never undermine the enduring popularity of Ayn Rand, but, because it has the tacit sanction of ARI, it will negatively impact the spread of Objectivism in two ways:

 

(1)   Cementing the acrimonious and wasteful ‘war of words’ among supporters of the philosophy;

(2)   Reinforcing and justifying the understandable disrespect shared by many prominent observers toward Objectivism as a legitimate and serious intellectual viewpoint.

 

And PARC’s well-deserved pratfall will, in itself, serve as cannon fodder for Objectivism’s enemies and detractors, because they can use it to make the case for the movement’s decline in popularity.      

 


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Here's the thing, though...

As far as the main core of the internal squabble, I think we have more people than they do... ;?)

The writing here certainly has more breadth and depth.


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I see a great deal of accusation here without much supporting evidence or explanation:  For instance:

It is absurd to suggest that this book ‘sets the record straight.’  No one outside the triangle of Rand, her husband and Nathaniel Branden can possibly know the full truth about that notorious and tragically destructive affair. 
Whether or not the book in fact "sets the record straight",  how can you defend the notion that such a thing is inherently impossible?  And if this is true,  how could the Branden's books have been "healing", as you imply they were?
On that account, this book adds nothing but obfuscation and peculiarly vicious ad hominem.

This accusation would carry more weight if you provided some examples.  Remember that ad hominem is the logical fallacy of attempting to dismiss an argument by attacking the character of its proponent.  This is different from using lies and contradictions to impeach the credibility of a witness and thereby weaken or refute their testimony. PARC certainly contains a lot of the latter.  But where does it engage in the former?  And what is being obfuscated?


(At one point, PARC’s author asks us to believe that Ayn Rand’s husband may not have been the least bit disturbed by his wife’s love affair.  Is it necessary to elaborate further on the author’s “objectivity”?)
How does asking us to consider the possibility that the affair was not painful to the husband prove the author to be non-objective?


 PARC insists that Rand was a saint and that Nathaniel and Barbara Branden were ‘immoral’.  Now there’s a shock.  Only a novice would not be aware that, from the perspective of orthodox Objectivism, this is scarcely a distinction.
Nor do I understand this statement.  Are you saying there is no distinction  between the saintly and the immoral?
 
 
So PARC’s author devotes 400 plus laboriously footnoted pages to proving that the Brandens are, well, pretty much like everyone else.
You seem to be saying that we are all immoral and therefor Rand must have been also?  I do not understand your reasoning here.
 
 
 A large part of PARC’s indictment of the Brandens consists of tediously documenting various inconsistencies in their accounts.  Yet the author glosses over some major inconsistencies that do not favor his case.   Ayn Rand is eulogized throughout the book for never straying from her strict moral principles.  Then why is it that, eight days after she first condemns Nathaniel Branden as “the most immoral person I have ever met” (July 4, 1968), she asked him to tell her exactly what she meant to him?
What, in this example, proves that Rand "strayed from her strict moral principles"?  I am aware of no principle in Objectivist morality that forbids one to ask a question of an immoral person.
 
 

Another clue to the author’s ‘objectivity’ can be observed in PARC’s contention that Ayn Rand was absolutely devoid of jealousy in her actions toward Branden and that Branden made all the sexual overtures in the last year of their relationship.  Rand supposedly “came to terms” with the end of their romance as early as January, 1968.  If that’s true, why do you suppose (as the author admits) Branden gave her the famous “letter” in July of 1968 in which he “rejected” her romantically? And why does Ayn Rand proceed to write a lengthy response in which she attacks his desires for her rival (Patrecia) as “silly, trashy, vulgar and juvenile”?  
Is jealousy, then, the only possible motive for writing a response?  What is the proof of that? 
 
 
Others have claimed that the book serves a worthwhile purpose by shining new light on a controversy that has not and will not go away.   But it will not go away precisely because Peikoff and his flock do not want it to go away.
So, you would have us believe that Piekoff wants this cloud of controversy and scandal around Rand and Objectivism?  Why would he?  And what is the evidence that his followers are sheep?
 
 
The books authored by Barbara and Nathaniel Branden, whatever their flaws, were obviously written with the hope of trying to heal a very deep and agonizing wound.
  Even if the flaw is that they contain lies and misrepresentations? 
 
 
PARC not only reopens it but injects that wound with a vile and repugnant venom, spewing muck and mucous in everyone’s face, insuring that Objectivism’s internal squabbles will continue to fester and infect the movement for years to come.

Your premise seems to be that only the Brandens have a right to tell their version of the story.  Why? 



 


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Thank you, Michael.  I could not have hoped for a response that did a better job of proving the accuracy of my review.  Please do not take this personally, but I consider the answers to most of your questions to be too obvious to merit further explanation.  I started to write a longer response, but realized that each point was either self-evident or had already been addressed.  You might want to try re-reading the full context of your quotes.  If I am wrong and others have similar confusions about what I meant, I am confident this will be drawn to my attention.

I think I gave enough specific examples to support my conclusions.  Perhaps you could cite a single, well-substantiated "lie" or "misrepresentation" that could not be reasonably ascribed to personal perspective, the imperfections of memory or the influences of emotional involvement.  If the author cared about getting to the truth of the matter, he could easily have addressed specific unresolved questions to the Brandens, who would have been more than willing to explain.  It is typically the public accuser who reports that his subjects have refused to answer his questions.  What does it say about this attorney-author that he did not have the decency or courage to confront the defendants?   (After all, as you say, there is "no principle in Objectivist morality that forbids one to ask a question of an immoral person.") 

Your last point probably should be clarified, however, because I have seen comments to the effect that its' detractors would like to see the book suppressed.   Aside from possible questions of libel, which I have no legal expertise to judge, nothing could be further from the truth.   The author clearly has every legal right to write and publish whatever he chooses.  As I said, I was fascinated (if a bit queasy) to read Ayn Rand's own perspective and feelings about the affair. If ARI had taken steps to publish Ayn Rand's personal journal, without the layer upon layer of interpretative obfuscation and invective, it would have added an important and valuable chapter to the historical record.  And I can assure you it would have done incomparably more to evoke sympathy for her point of view, without helping to make the story of Objectivism look more like a secularized inquisition and witch-hunt than a serious philosophy.


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Thank you, Michael.  I could not have hoped for a response that did a better job of proving the accuracy of my review.


 

How can my response -- which attacks the accuracy of your review --  prove the accuracy of your review?  How can a request for more substantiation constitute substantiation?

 

 

Please do not take this personally, but I consider the answers to most of your questions to be too obvious to merit further explanation.  I started to write a longer response, but realized that each point was either self-evident or had already been addressed.

 Self-evident?  You dismiss 400-pages of text and 492 footnotes as nothing more than ad hominem and obfuscation – and expect me to consider that assertion self-evident?

 

 

  You might want to try re-reading the full context of your quotes.  If I am wrong and others have similar confusions about what I meant, I am confident this will be drawn to my attention.

 Oh, I don’t think there is any confusion about what you meant.  You meant to hurl a bucket of invective at Valliant’s book.  Fine.  That is your privilege.  But your refusal to back it up leaves it unsubstantiated.

 

And since the truth is not determined by how many people believe a certain thing, it proves nothing that no one else has called you on this.


 

I think I gave enough specific examples to support my conclusions. 

 Trouble is, the examples you gave do not support your conclusions. For instance, the fact that Miss Rand wrote a response to Branden’s letter that criticized his relationship with another woman does not prove that she was jealous.  That is just a non sequitur.

 

 

Perhaps you could cite a single, well-substantiated "lie" or "misrepresentation" that could not be reasonably ascribed to personal perspective, the imperfections of memory or the influences of emotional involvement. 

 Valliant has given you 400+ pages of examples.  Did you not read the book? 

 

I’ll give you one misrepresentation that really bothers me: The Brandens have consistently represented Rand as being universally and completely intolerant of any disagreement, of having no patience with or sympathy for those who do not immediately agree with her.   

 

For instance, Branden claims that what “Rand made overpoweringly clear to us was that the ultimate test and proof of one’s idealism were one’s loyalty to (Rand’s) work and to her personally.” (PARC, pg 55)

 

Of course, as Valliant points out, in other places in their books they give contradictory portrayals.  However, it is this picture of total intolerance and dogmatic insistence on agreement that has become a focal point of attack by her critics.

 

In fact, for many years I accepted this notion as fact.  I did not really care, because it in no way alters the validity of her philosophy. 

 

Then I happened to read “Letters of Ayn Rand”.   I was amazed at the incredible amount of time and effort she put into attempting to understand the ideas of others with whom she disagreed, and to explain and re-explain her own positions.  See, for instance, the exchanges with John Hospers and Isabel Patterson.  This -- I found myself thinking repeatedly as I read her letters – is intolerance?  If anything, I would fault Miss Rand for taking too much time with people who were clearly determined to disagree no matter what. The Branden's characterization of Rand as intolerant cannot be reconciled with these letters.

 

 

 

If the author cared about getting to the truth of the matter, he could easily have addressed specific unresolved questions to the Brandens, who would have been more than willing to explain.  It is typically the public accuser who reports that his subjects have refused to answer his questions.  What does it say about this attorney-author that he did not have the decency or courage to confront the defendants?   (After all, as you say, there is “no principle in Objectivist morality that forbids one to ask a question of an immoral person.”)

 Did the Brandens consult with Rand (or any of her surviving defenders) prior to publishing their books?  What does that say about them?


As I said, I was fascinated (if a bit queasy) to read Ayn Rand’s own perspective and feelings about the affair. If ARI had taken steps to publish Ayn Rand’s personal journal, without the layer upon layer of interpretative obfuscation and invective, it would have added an important and valuable chapter to the historical record. 

 

Please show me some “interpretive obfuscation and invective” regarding the journals.

 

 

 

And I can assure you it would have done incomparably more to evoke sympathy for her point of view, without helping to make the story of Objectivism look more like a secularized inquisition and witch-hunt than a serious philosophy.

 
Why are the Branden’s attacks on Rand acceptable, even “healing” – but a defense of Rand against those attacks a “secularized inquisition and witch-hunt”?  Why the double standard?



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Here is Michael Smith's example of a 'misrepresentation" by Nathaniel Branden:

 

“Rand made overpoweringly clear to us was that the ultimate test and proof of one’s idealism were one’s loyalty to (Rand’s) work and to her personally.” (PARC, pg 55)

This quote is an excellent example of how PARC depends heavily on a lack of  focus by the reader to make its alleged points, and how those same readers are using PARC as a substitute for serious thought.  PARC implies that this quote from Branden amounts to the claim that Rand demanded total agreement from her associates and friends.  Read the full context of the quote in My Years with Ayn Rand (p. 311).  Branden is talking about a general attitude of personal devotion demanded by Ayn Rand. This has nothing to do with toleration of specific disagreements. 

 

PARC’s author blurs the two issues as though they were one.  Rand’s numerous interchanges with dissenters (e.g., John Hospers) can then be shown to create the appearance of inconsistency and contradiction in the Brandens’ accounts.

 

The author engages in similar trickery with respect to Barbara Branden, using the following quote (PARC, p. 54):

 

“…it was clear to her listeners that [Rand] was describing, unknowingly, conflicting aspects of her own attitude: the emotional need and demand for total agreement always at war with the equal, simultaneous longing for an independent response.” 

 

Note that Ms. Branden describes a conflict in Rand’s attitude—not a consistent policy—but this does not stop PARC’s author from saying to the unfocused reader, on the same page, that “the Brandens insist that Rand required ‘absolute agreement’ from her students.”  Then he proceeds to blur this issue with that of Rand’s sensitivity to personal criticism—again, an entirely separate matter.

 

PARC’s author is depending on the fact that many of Rand’s admirers will accept his charges at face value, without close attention to his words.  Respect and admiration for Ayn Rand are understandable motives, but she would be the first to say, “Don’t let him get away with it!”


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Dennis, you just love to dig yourself deeper.

Starting with post #0 you've been pushing this bizzaro world of how people except ideas. I guess your going to tell us next the reason Marxism never caught on with anyone was because he had such a bad personal life-sex with the maid, live off a rich guy, let all but one of his kids die in childhood because of neglect, etc. Only if people kept quiet, everyone would know his name.

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