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Monday, August 8, 2005 - 10:25pmSanction this postReply
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and I kid you not when I say this- nuke 80% of the world- leave our country( USA), Australia, UK, Israel, Kuwait, Turkey, Japan, Ireland...and that's about it. Seriously, nuke everybody else- yes, Canada INCLUDED! That will end terrorism pretty much completely, Communism for the most part, and security will never be underminded ever again by countries ruled by thugs, cause, well, they'll be gone :)

See, one thing ya gotta understand: I'm one of the few who doesn't really consider WWII to exactly be a shining moment in our history- I still don't understand why our troops fought the Germans when most Americans back then( and still today) pretty much believed in virtually every piece of philosophy that the Germans did- and btw, our efforts to improve Germany, as you've seen from time that's gone by, have royally flopped. Japan was a success( cause we nuked 'em), Germany was by and large basically a failure.


One other thing ya gotta understand- one major problem humans have is that we're SEVERELY flawed- sure, there are a few decent intellectuals overall, but for the most part, humans let their emotions and their stupidity get the better of them. It's times like these I do agree with the late Douglas Adams who wrote "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy", cause I seriously don't consider humans to be very bright. Do we have the intelligence to improve? Absolutely- do we have the willpower and the common sense to DO IT? Um...I'll get back to you on that.


As for whether or not terrorists will win, you have to ask yourself this simple question- "will the USA still be around in about 50 years". Your knee-jerk reaction will be yes, and there's a reason for it- figure it out.

Besides, my friend is more convinced aliens will wipe us out, seeing how primitive and stupid we are, then ANY terrorists. Yeah, I'll have to give my kudos to HIM on that one. ':B-)

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Monday, August 8, 2005 - 10:55pmSanction this postReply
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Please don't feed the troll.

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Tuesday, August 9, 2005 - 3:45amSanction this postReply
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No guns. But stones instead.

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Tuesday, August 9, 2005 - 3:53amSanction this postReply
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To Russel Kay: I understand your feelings very well, though I don't agree at all with your solution (besides: why leave Turkey und Kuwait? Turkey isn't precisely a haven of rationality and justice, with their population consisting of 99,8% Islamites while Kuwait has 85%).

Objectivist have a strict prohibition to START violence against another person or persons (read Ayn Rand's law of this).

Further on, A DEAD MAN IS NOT A CONVINCED MAN, and what we Objectivists need is to CONVINCE people into our favor, through good arguments and not by producing havoc. Besides, we are VERY GOOD in convincing people into our favor.

I think you should reconsider your argumentation.

Best regards, Manfred 


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Tuesday, August 9, 2005 - 4:18amSanction this postReply
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Baldly stated, but not different than the arguments in "Are Civilizians Not Guilty in Every War?"

It does not have to be a matter of "starting" a war.  Read the very objectivist logic of those here who claim that if someone "threatens" you, then you have the right -- the duty -- to kill them back first before they kill you.

If someone would steal your property, they would diminish your life.  If someone threatens your property -- including your "intellectual property" -- kill them before they act.  It is your right, your duty to yourself.
 
If someone questions your logic, kill them.

Personally, I am not the killing type.  I am a laissez faire kind of guy who believes that violence is the last resort of the incompetent.  But on that and other issues here on SOLO, I am in a minority.


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Tuesday, August 9, 2005 - 4:15pmSanction this postReply
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Speaking of trolls...

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Tuesday, August 9, 2005 - 5:01pmSanction this postReply
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I kid you not when I say this- nuke 80% of the world...
 Haven't you ever heard of fallout? Have you ever visited Japan or watched Japanese TV? Those people are totally wacky, and that only took two small A-bombs...

;-)


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Tuesday, August 9, 2005 - 5:06pmSanction this postReply
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Relax Asimov, I've got your back.

Personally, I am not the killing type.  I am a laissez faire kind of guy who believes that violence is the last resort of the incompetent.  But on that and other issues here on SOLO, I am in a minority.

 


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Tuesday, August 9, 2005 - 6:06pmSanction this postReply
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Russel,

Are you normally like that or do you have some dynamite shit?

Michael


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Tuesday, August 9, 2005 - 6:51pmSanction this postReply
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"Relax Asimov, I've got your back."

Thanks, Rick.  I got the original Foundation trilogy last weekend in order to review them for SOLO.    I still have the Sorenson biography of John Kennedy to get through first.  In fact...


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Tuesday, August 9, 2005 - 10:51pmSanction this postReply
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Manfred my good man- just so you know I do pretty much agree with the Objectivist philosophy...do not get me wrong. True, a dead man is not a convinced man- but as I've already stated, this is one of the areas where humans are SEVERELY flawed- when you're as mentally far gone as half the people I hear about worldwide, I see VERY little chance for us to convince them of heading on the right path. And sooner or later, many of them band together, and start doing very bad things- including imposing their "brilliant" philosophies and whatnot on others. So, take THEM out before they take US out.

Look, maybe if history had proven to be more on the side of humans showing compassion for freedom overall, I'd say there's a better chance for humankind overall. Sadly, humans in the THOUSANDS of years we've been around have NOT welcomly embraced freedom. Rather, tyranny, and severe statist practices.

Am I saying NO humans are capable of embracing freedom, and making life on this great planet even better than it already is? Perish the thought- I'd say we have some really great humans on this wonderful planet that are MORE than capable of doing that.

But the ones I speak of are those that would hold them & us back, rather than helping in push such objective motives. THOSE are the ones that I suggest to nuke.

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Tuesday, August 9, 2005 - 10:59pmSanction this postReply
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Michael Kelly, ask anyone who knows me, and they'll tell you that yeah, that's just me. I know- in this thread, I give the impression that I'm basically Dr. Strangelove- I can assure you I'm no Dr. Strangelove, but I stand by my argument. Oh, and I guess Italy can be spared too- and Luxembourg( unless of course either of them are getting worse in terms of Socialism, or something- though I haven't really heard anything bad as of late). Again, that's just me.

And Mr. Marotta, I understand what you're saying, but again- to actually believe they're willing to improve, it has to be seen to be believed, and so far, history hasn't dictated that in most cases. I believe many intellectuals in this great world are truly capable of good things, but if the majority are holding them back from their true potential, they're not using reason to begin with, so I don't see how convincing them would be very successful. That's me, though. Maybe you know something that I don't- as in most cases, that's usually what winds up happening, anyway ':B-)

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Tuesday, August 9, 2005 - 11:14pmSanction this postReply
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Russell,

You don't give me the impression of Dr. Strangelove. You give me the impression of silly. I can't take you seriously.

Michael

(Edited by Michael Stuart Kelly on 8/09, 11:15pm)


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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 1:51amSanction this postReply
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    Hey, Mike, how's things goin'?
    You and Kat still getting on Jennifer's nerves with your public luvvy-duvvy stuff? I do sympathize with her (uh, Jen, I mean...well, maybe your Kat too), but I don't really mind it; however, please...no pictures, huh? My 11-yr-old is occasionally looking over my shoulder, wonderin' how I'm doin' on my latest hobbyist-dl's for Doom-3.

LLAP
J-D

[Thread-Hijack Attempt #1: END:::Remonitor Time: 24hrs]

(Edited by John Dailey on 8/10, 1:54am)


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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 5:27amSanction this postReply
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Mr M.M,-

By chance I happened to be reading The Communist Manifesto at the same time as reading Foundation. I hope you'll have something to say about these fascinating parallels in your comming review.

The point is well illustrated, in Foundation, that guile and trade are powerful munitions of war. Endlessly more powerful munitions, I would say, than those employed in R.Kay's typical American idiot solution. I bet he knows the Team America theme lyrics by heart.


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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 6:52amSanction this postReply
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Hey Russell,

If you kill everyone (but a few slaves to feed you and a few women for fun, etc) life will be better for you. Yeah. Just like that. It makes so much sense. Man can I think up great solutions.

Ethan


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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 7:33amSanction this postReply
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Russell Kay:

Your solution ["Kill everyone who is a threat to "us"] has been tried. Most recent history: see Saddam Hussein.

I am most certainly not a pacifist but I think you are advocating lunacy. You sound like a poodle in a yard full of pit bulls. Settle down.

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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 8:50amSanction this postReply
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Russell, WRONG! (But I like your line of thinking)

Hell, all it takes it one look at the world today to think "fuck it" and wanting to start entering nuclear launch codes. I don't know about the rest of y'all but as an American there are times when I feel like the entire world is against us.

(also as an American I don't really care but its like some damn itch that won't go away)

But your 'idea' could be applied to a few countries. Iran for one, they look hell bent on developing a bomb for themselves (I say lets give then a couple dozen, armed of course:) )
China, Cuba, and Vietnam need to go to, just on principle. Damn commies don't deserve to breath the same air as us much less be alive and all, bah.



Mike, that hasn't been tried since WWII. If that were true, we'd see this:

-"Sir, I think someone's in here!"
-"Drag his ass out and lets see."

(Saddam is dragged out of his hole, dirty and with a beard)

-"Hey its Saddam! (Marine slugs him with the butt of his M16, Saddam spits a few teeth out)
-"STOP IT! You're a Marine not a goddamn Army punk, you know how to inflick more pain then that."

(20 mins later Saddam, beaten and bloody, manages to drag himself closer to the video cameras that gathered around.)

-"Alright men, we're been ordered to stop messing around and head back to camp.)
-"Yes sir (pulls out his souvenir Colt 1911 and aims it at Saddam's head, his commander slaps it down)
-"thats for the terrorist who fight back, use this" (he pulls out a puny lettle Kraut pistol, a luger)

(They leave Saddam's body in the street for the rats. Afterward they gets medals and a call from the President)


Now if that happened, then I'd agree with you. If the President ever says "Damn fool terrorist are hiding out in a Mosque thinkin' we're not going to bomb them (smiles)", then I'd agree with you. I live in a country that has the biggest bat in the world but swings it like a girl.

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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 1:08pmSanction this postReply
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Hi John,

I'm doing great.

About public luvvy-duvvy stuff, you sympathize with Jennifer and with Kat but don't really mind it. Hmmmmmmm...

Whatcha got in mind, handsome?

//;-)

Unfortunately Jennifer decided to leave and not come back. Kat I are more in love now then we were back when we were purrrrcified by the disgruntled. Kat is a marvelous woman and I am extremely fortunate to have her.

If you sign up for Solo Romance, you can find some pictures if you want - not just of us.

What does LLAP mean?

btw - I used to play Doom a lot. Now I shoot pomo-wankers on Solo. (That is Linz's term, but I like it a lot.)

Michael

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Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 1:48pmSanction this postReply
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Yeah...I have a real problem with the United States nuking Canada. I have friends in Canada.

Even though the first post in this thread is preposterous, ridiculous and nuts it might not be far from the truth in the end. The very existence of mankind is at stake with the proliferation of nukes. We turn away from the Greenpeace whackos and the abortion clinic bombers because they are not worth our time. We better not turn our backs on these nukes. I expect we'll wake up one morning and Cincinnati will be gone. Or Newcastle. Or Sydney. What then?


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