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Post 20

Friday, December 2, 2005 - 9:36pmSanction this postReply
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Great idea, Roger. Relevant and positive suggestion.

Post 21

Friday, December 2, 2005 - 9:41pmSanction this postReply
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I think that the point is, you choose what intersts you.  For instance, RoREastBumbleFuck does not interst me, ergo I choose not to receive postings from it.  If there is an area that interests you, then simply update your preferences.

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Post 22

Friday, December 2, 2005 - 11:06pmSanction this postReply
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RoRNY... is that scooby-doo's favorite club?

Who sanctioned me for this post? Cheesy!
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on 12/04, 7:54pm)


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Saturday, December 3, 2005 - 2:55pmSanction this postReply
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As far as emotionality, "entertainment" value in the *style* of writing is concerned, I have another point:

There is a liveliness factor on Solo compared to other websites which has kept me returning to it (even when it was most overflowing with inanity or vituperation and I knew I was going to have to take a purgative afterwards). The posters are colorful and concrete, not purely abstract. I enjoy Ciro's attemps to speak English and even MSK's wittiness (sometimes) and Linz's passion, even when he is being unfair or over the top. And in the past, people like Cordero, who could write with fire and still not lose the intellectual thread and find a way home out of the labyrinth.

The site is fun in a way very different from most Objectivists writing over the years who, I'm afraid, put people to sleep or get boring or tiresome or "old" over time. Over the years, Objectivist writing --- with a few exceptions like Peikoff or Bidinotto...and Rand, obviously....who understand how to write well and hold the reader and not cause them to lapse into a coma --- has too often been dry, cerebral, "abstraction-overloaded" at the expense of concretes and stories and anecdotes.

...And DULL, DULL, DULL (to anyone not already an initiate or a technogeek).

Like a computer program or a math proof.

Phil

1. Remember the topic of this thread is whether or to what degree "Personal, Emotional, Soul-Baring Stories are GOOD Things" in activism or Objectivism. My view is this kind of writing is something I'd love to see Objectivists do MORE not less of ... and more competently and appropriately. And perhaps indirectly or anecdotally or fictionally....as in fable or poem or myth.

And it shouldn't matter whether the connection to Oism is implicit and you have to dig for it or explicit in a little moral lesson at the end.

2. I deliberately wrote paragraphs two and three in an emotional, non-cerebral way. It is more fun for me, and I hope for the readers. For a more cerebral post, see my post #9 - it was info-packed, but somewhat dry.


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on 12/03, 3:06pm)


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Post 24

Saturday, December 3, 2005 - 3:32pmSanction this postReply
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Jeez Phil...

You said I am witty (sometimes)...

Golly gosh darn well shucks anyway...

(looking down at the ground and shuffling one foot)

I don't know what to say...

Michael


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Saturday, December 3, 2005 - 3:40pmSanction this postReply
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Phil,
Some of us get very passionate about mathematical proofs (raises hand high) and don't think they are all DULL. :)


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Saturday, December 3, 2005 - 4:01pmSanction this postReply
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I am all in favour of putting all the "passionate-about-math" posts and threads far away in a specialty group. I don't come to SOLO to read about that kind of crap. Jesus, Jeff. What's next?

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Saturday, December 3, 2005 - 4:05pmSanction this postReply
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Jeff, as someone with two degrees in math, I agree! But, please don't pick a nit :-) It was intended merely as a comparative metaphor.

There is a place for that spare, elegant, terse style: academic surroundings, books written for a certain audience -rather than our form of outreach or activism or anything directed at a large or non-specialist audience.

Phil

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Saturday, December 3, 2005 - 4:11pmSanction this postReply
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Phil,
I was just ribbing!

Ashley,
You are sexy, bright, and all around wonderful -- but if you hate math... you need to reform! (Also, just ribbing.)


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Saturday, December 3, 2005 - 5:06pmSanction this postReply
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Why thank you, Jeff!

I have a short story. In elementary school, I was identified as "Academically Gifted" which in my little country school, meant that for half a day, I was allowed to have sort of an independent study. It worked like this: I chose a new "theme" every 9 weeks, and then I figured out ways to learn about math, writing, science, etc. relating to that theme. It kept me extremely interested in school. But I also missed half a day with my regular class. Missing most anything was fine, because I either already knew it or I was learning it independently. In second grade, though, I missed learning multiplication tables. In the first few weeks of third grade, they had this drill where the teacher played a drum beat recording and we took turns standing up to recite times tables. You couldn't stumble or you would fall behind the drumbeat. I was struggling with multiplication when I had to go through a few of these drills. I hate to use the term "scarred for life" but it was certainly the only time I remember not feeling like the smartest kid in class. I have felt anxious about math ever since then, so much so that in college I did anything I could not to take math classes, and I drove to a community college 80 miles away to take an "easy" college algebra credit that would transfer.

I wish I was more comfortable with math. Now that I am self-employed, I find that in doing my own personal accounting I am not always sure what to do if it gets any harder than adding, subtracting, and multiplication. I can barely set up a spreadsheet for my expenses. It is paralyzing to figure out how to prepare for tax day. So this is my Achilles heel.

So I really have only suggested your banishment to prevent my discomfort at feeling like a lesser person for being a math retard.

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Saturday, December 3, 2005 - 5:16pmSanction this postReply
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Quick, six times seven....thump, thump, thump.

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Saturday, December 3, 2005 - 5:23pmSanction this postReply
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Ashley,
I fully sympathize with your story. (Though my experience was very different.) As one who taught math and physics, I have seen many, far too many, intelligent individuals damaged by what I can only mildly say are stupid, fucking assholes who spoil the glorious beauty of those subjects by their dumbassed, radioactive vomit smelling teaching methods!

But you can recover.


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Saturday, December 3, 2005 - 5:30pmSanction this postReply
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Dayaamm Jeff!!!!

I didn't know you had it in ya'!

To reciprocate, I dig math. I especially like to count money when I can...

Michael


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Saturday, December 3, 2005 - 5:33pmSanction this postReply
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Now time for another story.

Last Tuesday night I went to "Parent Night" at my little charter school in the hood, where lots of people got up to talk to parents about what their job is and so on. I gave my little talk about reading with your kids, and then the "itinerant teacher" got up to do hers. She was really ambitious and had visual aids and all. I was excited because I also had no idea what she did.

So first, she wants to demonstrate how she helps kids learn to read by teaching them one syllable at a time. For example, she says, and writes on the board "HYPERTENTION." I waited for someone to point out that it was spelled wrong, but noone did, so I said, "I think that should be an S at the end." Still noone spoke up, so she looked at it for a moment, then added S to make "HYPERTENTIONS." Brightly, she said "Sure, we can do it that way, too."

Next, she demonstrated math. The topic was "The 11 Times Table" and how it can confound kids. She pointed at us in turn so we began the drill (much like in my third grade class). Fortunately I was only third so I could say "33" with confidence. After the person who had "99" though, the next person paused. The itinerant teacher was loving it! She said this is what always happens, kids get all flustered. Now the bombshell. "Simple, just go back to 1 and now you have 111, 122, 133..." Now I am a math retard, but even I was sitting there thinking "wait a second..." So I added it up on a piece of paper and then again, said "I don't think that's correct." She said we could talk about it afterwards.

At this point I am beginning to not be surprised at how the children at my school are failing to learn anything.

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Saturday, December 3, 2005 - 5:48pmSanction this postReply
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Ashley, that's hilarious! Bet me some parents in the room were on the phone Wednsday morning calling the school's office about this gal and her methods.
HYPERTENXION, or HYPERTENCHEN, or HYPERTENTION, we can do it that way too. It's all the same...  LOL! 

(Edited by Teresa Summerlee Isanhart on 12/03, 5:50pm)


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Saturday, December 3, 2005 - 5:52pmSanction this postReply
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Teachers like that should not only not be allowed in front of students, I would be willing to consider whether it's proper to allow them a share of the available oxygen.

(Yes, Michael, it's a subject about which I can get pretty worked up.)


Post 36

Saturday, December 3, 2005 - 6:15pmSanction this postReply
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...ok, so what was this thread about, again?...

Post 37

Saturday, December 3, 2005 - 6:43pmSanction this postReply
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*conveniently ignoring Phil's comment*

I had a teacher like that for precalculus. That I already had a working knowledge of calculus at the time because of physics didn't help matters. I barely made it through the class. If that teacher went through anything like the K-12 education program at my college, it's understandable. They don't have to actually know anything, just how to "teach" it. : /

Sarah

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Saturday, December 3, 2005 - 7:46pmSanction this postReply
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Yes, Jeff - you need to get out a little more... maybe spend time with Luke and his flow charts... ;-)

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Post 39

Friday, December 9, 2005 - 8:19amSanction this postReply
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I never went to maths - I just didn't get religion at all.

Can't say I excelled at spelling either. Probably explains why I went into banking.

Whoops - no objectivist link there, better head back over to SOLO passion...


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