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Thursday, February 2, 2006 - 3:11pmSanction this postReply
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Kat, I really like your post 18 response.

Ed


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Thursday, February 2, 2006 - 6:29pmSanction this postReply
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I am trying to figure out something here, and it involves the idea of why if ( I will use myself in this instance)  I thought I was being scammed ( which Kat has so aptly noted carries a negative connotation) and my time wasted would I bother to even make a post about it and further waste more time then compound the problem by following up with more posts.

It seems it would be simpler and less timewasting to either close down the site or go to my favorites and move to another site I felt was more worthy of my time.


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Thursday, February 2, 2006 - 9:37pmSanction this postReply
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I am trying to figure out something here, and it involves the idea of why if ( I will use myself in this instance) I thought I was being scammed ( which Kat has so aptly noted carries a negative connotation) and my time wasted would I bother to even make a post about it and further waste more time then compound the problem by following up with more posts.

It seems it would be simpler and less timewasting to either close down the site or go to my favorites and move to another site I felt was more worthy of my time.


Excellent observation. Obviously, I don't find others, a few here, others at ARI, NBI, et. conforming to expectations I have, pertaining to factionalism and interests in general.

I should align my expectations with reality, accept it for what it is, do what I can with it, rather than ranting about how it sucks.

Scott

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Friday, February 3, 2006 - 12:05amSanction this postReply
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Scott,

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I should align my expectations with reality, accept it for what it is, do what I can with it, rather than ranting about how it sucks.
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Reality doesn't "suck." That's a different premise from the correct one.

Ed
[a "Benevolent Universe" Enthusiast]




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Friday, February 3, 2006 - 5:27amSanction this postReply
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I cannot refute "scam" accusations better than Kat already did in Post 18.

However, if you want to see concrete examples of scams in real life, visit

http://www.mlmsurvivor.com/


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Friday, February 3, 2006 - 1:17pmSanction this postReply
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I woke up to an interesting program (WYCC - a liberal cable university channel) on psychology. Environment influence on brain plasticity (peptides & hormones), and consequent dominant social behavior was discussed in fish, baboons and people. (Certainly pertinent to Artemis' p81 in the materialism thread I'll not spend time on).

The human race obviously has more growing, neural adaptation to do.

Objectivism is a philosophy, religion, for an altruistic, corrupt culture. Rand's novels - WTL, Anthem, Fountainhead, AS, all deal with individuals looted, sacrificed, in altruistic scams by the ethics of altruism. Rand writes at length about how the *reality* of the human condition does indeed suck, and proposes an antidote - that men act as rational traders, rather than predators and prey. Or they, as she did, vote with their feet.

It is terribly naive to think that money and power will be relinquished to the more competent on mere ideals. Or that emotional accounts of past injustice can just be written off. Rand really doesn't address solutions well, other than getting lucky (Roark), unlucky (Kira, et.) or fleeing to a survivalist community.

And from what I've seen of several "Objectivist" groups, none of us would peaceably coexist anyways.

Scott

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Friday, February 3, 2006 - 5:23pmSanction this postReply
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Scott, but of course, the main problem is that producers have accepted that its the most moral thing to give away everything they produce to external things of no value to them, and then they actually do that, and enable the looters. The solution is to defend yourself and your property and uphold justice.

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Friday, February 3, 2006 - 8:54pmSanction this postReply
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Right Dean!

In Ayn Rand Answers: The Best of Her Q & A, Rand said to live as though you had retreated to Galt's Gulch, even if that's imperfect (it's still "best"). The question is whether you realize the very real value-difference of living as ...

Homo moochandlootens

... or as ...

Homo produceandtradens

;-)

Ed


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Friday, February 3, 2006 - 9:26pmSanction this postReply
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"Homo moochandlootens", "Homo produceandtradens" thats great stuff! : )

I must add, that when you trade, you must trade with justice and virtue. You must promote your values when you trade.

"Trade" by giving your resources to someone who very happily accepts but offers nothing in return is an act of injustice: you reward them for nothing and you sacrifice your resources. Rewarding people for nothing only enables them to continue a life of begging and needing. You also loose your resources. Wouldn't you rather trade in a mutually beneficial manner? It makes so much more sense to trade with a person that produces value for you. Now you are rewarding people for doing things that you want, plus you are net gaining from the trade.

"Trade" by giving your resources to someone who very happily accepts the offer, who offers something in return, yet uses the resources you provide them to perform things contrary to your goals and values may very well also be a bad decision. Do you net gain or loose? How much value are they providing you in the trade? How much will they destroy your values with the resources you provide them? It would make sense to only reward people who promote your goals. Rewarding people who will destroy your goals results in the destruction of your goals.

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 7:03amSanction this postReply
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"Trade" by giving your resources to someone who very happily accepts but offers nothing in return is an act of injustice: you reward them for nothing and you sacrifice your resources. Rewarding people for nothing only enables them to continue a life of begging and needing. You also loose your resources. Wouldn't you rather trade in a mutually beneficial manner? It makes so much more sense to trade with a person that produces value for you. Now you are rewarding people for doing things that you want, plus you are net gaining from the trade.

 
 
 
 
Trade can only be with voluntarily exchanging value for value - else it is not trade. 

(Edited by robert malcom on 2/04, 7:04am)


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Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 7:31amSanction this postReply
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Roger sure "scammed" everybody.

(More like a poke in the ribs, but close enough.)

//;-)

Michael


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