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I am discussing the following comments here, even though they were originally aired on on Michael Kelly's forum, Objectivist Living, because the thread in which they appeared has been closed to any new replies. The comments, which are critical of Ayn Rand's character and personality, were made by Robert Hessen, who was an intimate associate of hers during the days of NBI. Hesson writes as follows:


Those seeking to canonize Ayn Rand have an obstacle blocking their efforts: Barbara Branden's THE PASSION OF AYN RAND (1986). Hence the continuing -- and recently intensifying -- efforts to discredit that biography. One line of attack accuses Ms. Branden of lying when she claimed Ayn Rand sometimes gave angry answers during question periods.

As an eyewitness to many such outbursts, I can verify that Ms. Branden's claim was accurate and not exaggerated. I remember many occasions when Rand pounced, assuming that a question was motivated by hostility to her or her ideas, or that the questioner was intellectually dishonest or irrational, or had evil motives, or was her "enemy." The key, I believe, to Rand's reaction was an assumption that every question was unambiguously clear, so she never asked anyone to clarify or rephrase a question that appeared to be critical.

I could end my comment right here, having attested to Ms. Branden's truthfulness on this specific issue, but I think my testimony will carry more weight if I offer examples of what I witnessed.

My earliest memory goes back to Ayn Rand's appearance at Yale University in February 1960. The morning after she gave a public lecture, she spoke to a small philosophy class and invited questions from the students. A young man asked if her brief characterization of Immanuel Kant's philosophy was accurate, and she exploded that she had not come here to be insulted. I was surprised at the heated tone of her response because he was not antagonistic to her and he had, as I watched him, no glimmer of malice or "gotcha" in his eyes.



As Rand would say, "Oh, brother!" The student's question was clearly a rhetorical swipe at the accuracy of Rand's representation, one that amounted to an accusation that she had misrepresented Kant. I mean, if someone asks you, do you think your characterization of so-and-so's philosophy is accurate, what are you supposed to say? No, it's not accurate? What could the student have expected her to say? This was clearly an insult -- a passive-aggressive one, to be sure, but an insult nonetheless. And for that very reason, Rand was entirely justified in responding the way she did. The fact that Hessen doesn't see this is astonishing. He continues:


I attended five or six speeches by Ayn Rand at the Ford Hall Forum in Boston. All were marred by one or two angry answers. But anger was not her only inappropriate response. On one occasion a young girl asked Rand what she thought of the artist Maxfield Parrish. It was obvious from the girl's tone of voice that she was asking her favorite writer's opinion of her favorite artist, so I was struck by the cruelty of Rand's answer (in its entirety): "Junk. Next question." So much for objectivity, or sensitivity. She gave a similar reply ("Not much") the next year when someone asked for her opinion of Arthur Koestler, the writer.


One thing that was nice about Rand is that she didn't mince words. You knew exactly where she stood. If you asked an honest question, you got an honest answer. Hessen says it was obvious from the girl's tone of voice that Parrish was her favorite artist. Obvious to whom? Since when does a tone of voice give us that much information, such that we are justified in concluding that Rand was being unfair? And what's so terrible about her answer in regard to Koestler? If she didn't think much of him, what's she supposed to say? "Not much" is as good an answer as any, if that's what she thought. If she can be faulted at all, it may be for her failure to elaborate, but she may not have thought the question warranted a longer answer. Is this the best Hessen can do in finding examples of Rand's "angry, unfair" demeaner? If it is, it speaks pretty well of her. He may inadvertently have come to her defense by doing something akin to damning with faint praise--praising with faint accusations! ;-)


After Ayn Rand's break with Nathaniel Branden in 1968, he claimed that she did so because he had given her a paper in which he explained that the 25-year age difference between them was an insuperable barrier for him to have a romantic relationship with her. This oblique remark clearly implied that they had earlier had such a relationship. In her first public appearance after his statement, she participated in the Q&A at one of the reconstituted Objectivist lectures series. A longtime student of Objectivism, Alan Margolin, asked her to comment on the truthfulness of Branden's allegation. Rather than admit it was accurate, or denounce it as false, she gave an angry-- and evasive-- answer: "If you could ask me that question, why would you believe my answer?"


This does sound like an evasive answer, but Rand may have viewed the question as an unwarranted invasion of her privacy that she could have been expected to protect by denying that any such relationship occurred even if it did. It is understandable that she would not want to reveal something that sensitive and context dependent in a Q&A.


My over-all impression of that era is that NBI students were apprehensive that a poorly formulated question might unleash her anger. To spare audience members public humiliation at her hands, they were invited to submit their questions to her in writing -- and anonymously.

The accuracy of Ms. Branden's claim about Ayn Rand's style of answers need not depend on anyone's personal recollections. Numerous examples can be found in the audio tapes of her Q&A sessions during the Branden years, or later during the Peikoff succession, or her Ford Hall Forum tapes, or her appearances on various TV shows, such as Phil Donahue.

If the censors and air-brushers at The Ayn Rand Institute have not deleted such scenes, and if access to original sources is open to independent investigators (two dubious assumptions indeed), then more examples of Rand's short fuse could be documented.

Pending the release of unexpurgated tapes, evidence of her anger and rage can be found in the published collection of Ayn Rand's Marginalia, filled with her tirades against F.A. Hayek's The Road to Serfdom, C.S. Lewis's The Abolition of Man, Helmut Schoeck's Envy, and even one of Ludwig von Mises' books. I am no fan of the first three of these books, but her marginal scribblings are an embarrassment to her -- and a challenge to anyone who claims that she was invariably a gentle, sweet-tempered person.



Give me a break! These were private, off-the-cuff responses jotted in the margins of what she was reading; they were not intended for publication. Rand was a passionate intellectual; she felt strongly about ideas and expressed herself accordingly. You'd have to be a pretty tepid, emotionally repressed individual not to respond this way to ideas that offended you, even if you didn't bother to express it in writing. I'm sure such passionless intellectuals exist, but they don't have the influence and impact that Rand did. What does Hessen want? A dispassionate, dessicated, denuded Ayn Rand with all the life blood sucked out of her? -- an Ayn Rand bereft of character, force and personality? I'm happy to see these kinds of replies. They don't diminish my respect for Rand one bit.

Ayn Rand was undeniably a genius whose intellectual achievements have not received the recognition they deserve. But why must some of her fans venerate her as a saint, or imply that her "benevolent universe" premise made it improbable, indeed impossible, for her to give angry answers? [I don't think they do; I doubt think any of her fans view her this way -- as someone who never got angry or expressed it in public.] It is time to separate her personality from her intellectual creations. Indeed it is something I believe she would have wished.


Let me see if I understand this: Rand would have wished that the defects in her personality be exposed so they can then be separated from her intellectual creations? Hello! I would be the last person to argue that Rand was without any character or personality flaws. But to whatever extent they existed, they pale by comparison to her achievements. The kind of stuff Hessen is citing is so questionable, his mentioning it sounds more like an attempt to make something out of nothing.

- Bill


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It is so easy to be an armchair psychologizer, isn't it, Bill - sitting back pontificating in all the hindsight of myopia.  For shame.   Obviously you were never there, young and full of ignorance of the proper nuances of thought - because you were never taught that - yet full also of the glorious light of reasoning seen in a much, very  much
 admired woman.  Yes, there were some who were deliberately antagonistic - but far and away most of us were seeing something new and different, and a person expressing inner longings in a way few ever did, and with words and meanings in a manner we were not taught, but struggled, thru her books, to learn.   And yes, shocked at some of the responses to what - to us- seemed reasonable questions.

Did that alter my wonder of what she had to say?  No.   Did it lessen her value as a person?  No.   But it did keep my feet on the ground, keeping in mind that - like everyone else - she was not always the most likeable to be around, however great her mind was.


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Hessen: "Ayn Rand was undeniably a genius whose intellectual achievements have not received the recognition they deserve. But why must some of her fans venerate her as a saint, or imply that her "benevolent universe" premise made it improbable, indeed impossible, for her to give angry answers?"

Which Objectivists have claimed that AR never gave angry answers to questions? I've never heard anyone make that claim. That statement alone makes me skeptical of Hessen's testimony. Even Leonard Peikoff has openly stated that AR's anger at particular questions was occassionally unjustified (although other times it was perfectly justified). All that means is that AR sometimes misunderstood what someone was trying to say--or that person didn't word a question clearly in the first place.

There's an assumption in Hessen's testimony that anger as such is a negative character trait. But anyone who takes ideas seriously is going to get angry from time to time in philosophical discussions. A person who never gets upset at all in such contexts is a person who isn't genuinely concerned about intellectual issues. I think the world needs *more* anger toward the irrational and vicious, not less.

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 4:48pmSanction this postReply
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Out of respect for the owners of RoR, I really don't want to discuss the policies of my site here. However, there is an implied misrepresentation on using material from there. So I feel the need to clarify.

Bill stated that the thread where he took Robert Hessen's statement was "closed to any new replies." It is closed to ALL replies, new or old, because it is a historical archive. If he had read the first post at the start of the thread, he would have not made that kind of misleading statement (implying that I am exercising censorship or something). I clearly posted the following (on December 9, 2005):
I will let these e-mails - and future statements from people who knew Ayn Rand - speak for themselves. They may be taken at face value or questioned elsewhere (unless there are technical things like names and dates and so forth).

My aim is to present these statements as an online archive.
I hope that isolating this statement of purpose in this manner will make it clear enough for easy understanding.

Michael


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Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 8:37amSanction this postReply
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One thing I have to say about individuals either trying to demonize or deify Ms Rand: PLEASE STOP TRYING. First, yes she probably did her own outbursts over an eighty year lifetime, I know I have and I'm only twenty five years old! To assume that this would not occur is sort of like saying objects don't fall to the center of gravitation.
 
Second, assuming if any of the hearsay is true does not negate the fact of what she published. I don't see people tearing at Whitehead, Russell, and/or other philosophers over their personal lives as some scare tactic to avoid dealing with their philosophical propositions. Under that second condition, I think it's more important to see what Rand wrote and published, and more importantly, espoused.  I still haven't seen a single ivory tower philosopher refute Rand's or any other Objectivist position with regard to the core principles of Objectivism.
 
So, in short, that's my own take on the whole issue of Rand's personal life and how it really doesn't play into the content of Objectivism with regard to refuting Objectivism as a valid philosophy.
 
-- Bridget


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 I think it's more important to see what Rand wrote and published, and more importantly, espoused.  I still haven't seen a single ivory tower philosopher refute Rand's or any other Objectivist position with regard to the core principles of Objectivism.


Well said, Bridget.

(Edited by robert malcom on 2/28, 10:48am)


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Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 5:31pmSanction this postReply
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Amen.

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Wednesday, March 1, 2006 - 1:32pmSanction this postReply
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Mr. Dwyer,

I attended many of those lectures.  She gave an angry response to questions a couple of times per session, but she went seamlessly from grouch on one question to patient mentor on the next.  Since the questions were in writing, there were times  she denounced a question and excoriated the interrogator without letting the larger audience in on what the question was. 

Don't try to rationalize it away, accept that it did happen.  She was human, thank Galt. Remember that her heroes are man as he ought to be, not as he is.


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Yeah, Robert, I agree. And Bill, what has happened to your perspective on Rand, anyway? You sound very defensive of her in the above comments. Yet, I remember not long ago when you were relating the experience of one of your acquaintances at Ford Hall Forum, who was standing in the way of Our Founder and was imperiously asked "Do you know who I am?" You do recall sharing this, right? Have you changed your mind and now think that your acquaintance was "trying to make something out of nothing"?

If you're simply saying that Bob Hessen's examples don't cut the mustard, fine. But I'm surprised to hear that you think Rand's angry reply in regard to Branden's allegations about the affair was a justified exercise of protecting her privacy. Do you think that someone who tried to project the false image of being happily monogamous was on firm moral grounds in being huffy and evasive about that issue?

REB

(Edited by Roger Bissell on 3/01, 5:13pm)


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I've read most of all the statements of those who knew Ayn Rand and such, and was rather intrigued, and fascinated - even reading the ones in negative contexts. I would love to have been able to sit down with Ayn Rand and really grok her personality, her sense of life, her mind, but unfortunately I am only left with pictures and faint descriptions that offer a glimpse of an immense character.

Reading some of these individual's statements in the negative contexts, I was reminded about what a fellow Oist was telling me of Ayn Rand and her 'intellectual senility', i.e, of how she had a hard time realizing that everyone wasn't always as brilliant and intellectually advanced as she was.

Of course, being sheep amongst sheep of nescience, these folks probably never grasped this. As a result, I'm certain Ayn Rand only perpetuated the common stereotype that the intellectually gifted are typically bound by unhappiness, or something along those lines.

Although there is an element of truth behind stereotypes - much like any joke or humor, such stereotypes do not give any justice to the whole truth. In this case, the whole truth being that the freedom, power and mobility which Ayn Rand gained from such intellectual advancement  far outweighs the occasion of orneriness and negativistic behavior that ALL humans -moronic or genuis- are subject to.

In light of the above truth, evident it becomes that such an aforementioned popularized 'wisdom' is but a glaring example - or rather, symptom of the very philosophical disease that has struck our society, where as Miss Rand once said: "intelligence is neither rewarded nor recognized in this society - it is systematically extinguished by brazenly flaunted irrationality." Indeed, and all one has to do to verify this, is watch the news tonight, or take a critical look at history itself.

In many ways more than one, as advanced and civilized this society is, it is still a human jungle - with excess vines, leaves and greenery of intellectual onanism. Only with razors and machetes of philosophical tools, can one slash their way to certainty, advance towards goals and live in unrestricted mobility, read: freedom.


 


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Robert Hessen has emailed me to say that his comments were in no way connected to my book, PARC, or the debate about it.

There seems little question that Rand could get angry at what she thought to be an inappropriate question however.

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Once again, I beg the pardon of the owners of RoR to avoid a possible mischaracterization of the place where Robert Hessen's above statement was taken. Merely to reiterate the policy and purpose of that thread, it is a historical archive of memories of Ayn Rand by those who knew her or met her. It is not anything else.

The only books concerned therein are those mentioned by the people who provided statements. In Mr. Hessen's case, for example, he saw fit to mention The Passion of Ayn Rand by Barbara Branden because he agrees with the image of Rand that the author presented - which basically coincides with his memories. Some other books by other people are mentioned (notably Tibor Machan's autobiography, The Man Without a Hobby, Adventures of a Gregarious Egoist), but most people mention no book at all.

Michael


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Roger wrote,
Bill, what has happened to your perspective on Rand, anyway? You sound very defensive of her in the above comments. Yet, I remember not long ago when you were relating the experience of one of your acquaintances at Ford Hall Forum, who was standing in the way of Our Founder and was imperiously asked "Do you know who I am?" You do recall sharing this, right? Have you changed your mind and now think that your acquaintance was "trying to make something out of nothing"?
No, I don't think he was trying to make something out of nothing. Just because I acknowledged that Rand acted inappropriately on that occasion doesn't mean that I have to accept every criticism of her as justified. People can err in either direction. They can try to excuse every fault of hers, no matter how obvious, or they can try to find fault with her behavior where none exists. If there is any failure of perspective here, it lies in opting for either of these extremes.
If you're simply saying that Bob Hessen's examples don't cut the mustard, fine. But I'm surprised to hear that you think Rand's angry reply in regard to Branden's allegations about the affair was a justified exercise of protecting her privacy. Do you think that someone who tried to project the false image of being happily monogamous was on firm moral grounds in being huffy and evasive about that issue?
My point was that she may have viewed a discussion of that issue in a Q&A as inappropriate, because it would open up a Pandora's box and raise more questions than it would answer, which I don't think is entirely unreasonable. If there was a time and place to air that issue, it was certainly not in that venue; at least, that's how she may have been viewing it. I'm just speculating on her motive; that's all.

- Bill

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My point was that she may have viewed a discussion of that issue in a Q&A as inappropriate, because it would open up a Pandora's box and raise more questions than it would answer, which I don't think is entirely unreasonable
 
If that was the case, why bother answering the question - there were more than could have been answered anyway.....


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> People can err in either direction. They can try to excuse every fault of hers, no matter how obvious, or they can try to find fault with her behavior where none exists. If there is any failure of perspective here, it lies in opting for either of these extremes. [Bill]

I agree: I think people who are completely objective about Rand are few. One of the reasons I've avoided these books and "personal" issues is I find it hard to tell when the writer, debater is blinded by anger or by hero-worship and when I'm getting the straight poop. That's in addition to the fact that I'm more interested in the ideas than in the poop.

One area that does interest me very much about Ayn Rand's life is her thinking methods, her work habits, how she -became- a great mind and a great originator in two different fields. With all of the stuff about her personal relationships, her sex life, whether or not she got too angry on occasion X, what was the meaning of the liquor bottles in her husband's room and so on through nineteen episodes of Jerry Springer and Oprah, not enough attention has been paid to the elephant in the room: This is a truly unique mind which has reached heights other minds have not.

How does someone become great? How does genius build itself? I mean, if you are going to study a genius, beyond just their ideas, it's their MIND somebody should have the sense to be spending time on! (Peikoff has made a start on this a couple times, but nowhere near completeness which would require a book or at least some very long essays.)

Hello??

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I don't know if anyone other than Peikoff has well and fully started this (his most extended discussion was probably "My Thirty Years..").

Can anyone who has read the Brandens' two books or other sources say if the issue of ***how she grew mentally and what her working and thinking processes were which helped her*** has been done...without "going off" on the Brandens or on other side issues besides the one I just raised?

Phil

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Sure, Phil. Just read Chris Sciabarra's Ayn Rand: the Russian Radical. You don't have to agree with his perspective, but it makes a helluva lot of sense to me in explaining Rand's particularly effective methodology. He traces it back to her college training, and his followup research articles in JARS show that she was exposed back then to a lot of methodology similar to her own approach.

REB

P.S. -- Aw, hell, I forgot to even mention the Brandens!  :-/

(Edited by Roger Bissell on 3/01, 10:50pm)


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One fairly objective guide to Rand's character and personality would be videos of her many but very-hard-to-find t'v' appearances. Another guide is the audio tapes of her Ford Hall Forum Q and A periods (assuming they aren't censored too badly by ARI). My memory of her appearances on Tom Snyder and Phil Donuhue was that she was fairly impressive intellectually and often charming personally. She was also exceptionally formidable in her appearance and her general presence -- seemingly a true giant.
 
But she didn't seem very ambitious in her replies, nor did she reach out much to help the listener understand from his context. And she often didn't answer the questions as directly and eloquently as one might have liked. Rather frequently she was tone-deaf to the intent and attitude of the questioner (usually negatively but not always). And at times she was strangely and gratuitously hostile enough to be personally disturbing and make me wince. ( I assume almost all ARIan types intellectually, emotionally, and spiritually repress this.) Lesser intellectuals have handled Q and A considerably better than her and you kind of have to wonder why. 


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Since I am not aware of anyone who has "accused Ms. Branden of lying when she claimed that Ayn Rand sometimes gave angry answers during question periods," I wonder, with whom was he originally supposed to be arguing? (In fact, Dr. Hessen has just received a copy of PARC.) Could someone have misled him?


(Edited by James Stevens Valliant
on 3/02, 7:42am)


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James,

(sigh)

In a word, no. The original quote is from 2004 and was never published (as with some of the other quotes). Mr. Hessen made some additions on granting authorization. A question presented to him in 2004 from Barbara is the proper context. I presume his email to you was clear about the influence of your book on his statement.

Michael
(Edited by Michael Stuart Kelly on 3/02, 9:27am)


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