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Monday, February 9 - 12:15pmSanction this postReply
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Does anyone have this book?

 

Citizenship Education

(Monarch notes and study guides. High School Level)

Author: Joyce F. Jones

Publisher: Monarch Press, 1966.

 

This book, which was sold by NBI back in the 60's, is out of print, and no copies are available from any seller anywhere on the internet.  I've tried used book sellers (e.g., AbeBooks.com) and nothing shows up.

 

I would be willing to pay anyone who has this book to copy it for me and send me the copy, which because the book is out of print and no longer available would certainly not be a violation of the copyright.  

 

Name your price!  It is a great book, and deserves to be reprinted.

 

Thanks!

 

Bill Dwyer



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Monday, February 9 - 11:38pmSanction this postReply
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Belay that request.  I found the book on Amazon, where it wasn't listed before, as I checked numerous times -- one copy for $99.00.  :-)

 

I really wanted that book, so I willingly paid the higher price, and eagerly await it's arrival.  

 

Was I "gouged"?  Well, no one is gouged if he willingly consents to the price, since in that case, he values the item more than the money he spends on it.  Otherwise, he wouldn't surrender his money in favor of the item.  Basic economics!  

 

There is no such thing as price gouging in a free market.  The very concept is an oxymoron.



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Tuesday, February 10 - 8:49amSanction this postReply
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Bill,

 

Congratulations on your persistence!  I hope you'll post some quotes from this book, maybe collected together as a short article on her ideas of citizenship.

 

Best Wishes,

Steve



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Tuesday, February 10 - 9:15amSanction this postReply
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What is the ISBN?

 

Can you please post a link to the listing on Amazon?



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Wednesday, February 11 - 9:27pmSanction this postReply
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 Luke asked, "What is the ISBN? Can you please post a link to the listing on Amazon?"

 

I don't know the ISBN, because the book is no longer available.  I purchased the only copy!  Here is the current listing on Amazon:

High School Level Citizenship Education (Preliminary to Social Studies) 1966

by Joyce F. Jones
Currently unavailable
 
This is a soft cover Monarch Press publication with holes to fit a three-ring binder.  It was offered by the Nathaniel Branden Institute during their lecture courses back in the '60's.  I used to own a copy, but lost it.  The book is an excellent introduction to the structure of government and the rationale behind it.  
 
I don't know if the author is still alive, and it is unfortunate that the book has not gotten a reprinting.  The Paper Tiger, an Objectivist publisher that publishes a few of the books offered for Objectivists, might reproduce it if he thought it was worthwhile.  But first he would need to find a copy to work with.  Good luck finding another one anywhere on the internet.  There are undoubtedly Objectivists who own the book, but are probably unwilling to part with it.
 


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Wednesday, February 11 - 9:33pmSanction this postReply
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Steve,

 

I'll provide some specifics on the book once I receive it.  Hopefully, it will be in reasonably good shape, as it is a soft cover book that is almost 50 years old.  The seller rates it as in "good" condition.



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Thursday, February 12 - 8:53pmSanction this postReply
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I got the book today.  It is in remarkably good condition for a soft cover published back in 1966.

 

Here is the Table of Contents:

 

Part I: Introduction

 

Chapter 1: What is citizenship?

Chapter 2: Definitions you should know?

 

PART II: Government in the United States: Organization, Services and Financing

 

Chapter 3: What is Government?

Chapter 4: The Elective Process

Chapter 5: Local Governments

Chapter 6: State Governments

Chapter 7: The United States Constitution

Chapter 8: The Three Branches of Our Federal Government

Chapter 9: The Growth of Federal Services and Regulations

Chapter 10: The United States and World Affairs

 

Part III: The Economic System of the United States

 

Chapter 11: What is an Economic System?

Chapter 12: The Ingredients of a Free Economy

Chapter 13: Employers and Employees

Chapter 14: Money in the Marketplace

Chapter 15: Was Free Enterprise Ever Free?

 

Part IV: The Opportunities and Responsibilities of Citizenship

 

Chapter 16: The Citizen's Social Responsibilities

Chapter 17: The Citizen's Political Life

Chapter 18: The Citizen's Economic Life

Chapter 19: The Citizen's Responsibilities to himself.

 

Part V: Young Citizens Plan for the Future

 

Chapter 20: Choosing a Career

Chapter 21: Turning Goals into Realities

 

Appendix 1: Bibliography of Additional Readings

Appendix 2: Answers to Review Tests

Appendix 3: Index

 

(Edited by William Dwyer on 2/12, 8:54pm)



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Thursday, February 12 - 11:25pmSanction this postReply
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Bill,

 

I'm glad to hear its in good shape.  It sounds interesting from the table of contents.



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Friday, February 13 - 11:03amSanction this postReply
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When I was in grade school we were partially graded on "citizenship."  I remember receiving low scores.  I was a bit of a troublemaker.  The authoritarianism of school teachers was totally unwelcome in my life.  If I were still in Toastmasters, I would likely perform a spoof of a popular novel called "Fifty Shades of Citizenship" complete with leather mask and large wooden paddle along with deep, heavy breathing as I re-enacted some of my teachers' antics with deeply stinging satire.

 

Needless to say, those experiences left in my mouth the foul taste of "Shitty-Zen-Ship" as I had boatload after boatload of "do, do" dumped into my lap daily while still attempting to maintain some semblance of inner peace.

 

I look forward to a more positive take on the matter from Bill's forthcoming review.

 

As for public school teachers:

 

Bow now, public servants, and serve the public as you are paid!

 

(Edited by Luke Setzer on 2/13, 11:26am)



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Monday, February 16 - 1:53pmSanction this postReply
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wow - guess am going to have to envelope that one [yes, I have a copy, from the NBI days], it now so much a collector's deal...

is indeed a good book - no idea why it went out of print, but then many good things do regarding fields like education, history, civics, and so on...

 

interesting - the only time I ever paid such a high price was when discovered one of Yang Yu-Tang's books on his remarkable pen and ink work... it was in Chinese, but the close-up examples of what seem like photographic detail were very instructive for me, as he is the only other person  know who does fine-art pen and ink...

 

(Edited by robert malcom on 2/16, 1:58pm)



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Tuesday, February 17 - 5:42amSanction this postReply
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Would it be legal to scan this book to PDF and post it to the Web?



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Wednesday, February 18 - 7:37amSanction this postReply
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How to Determine Whether a Work is in the Public Domain

 

Researching copyright status of books

 

(Edited by Mike Erickson on 2/18, 7:46am)



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Wednesday, February 18 - 11:50amSanction this postReply
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Robert,

 

If I had thought of it, I would have made you a competitive offer for the book -- something a bit less than $100.00 (including shipping) -- just to see if you were interested.

 

Would you have been willing to sell?

 

MIke, thanks for posting the information on copyright and public domain status.  The book's copyright date is 1966 by Alpha Study Aids, Inc., New York, N.Y., a company that no longer exists.  The book was distributed by Monarch Press, Inc.  Barnes and Noble now owns Monarch Press, so I called B & N to see if the book was still available.  They had no record of it.  

 

Perhaps The Paper Tiger, an Objectivist publisher, would be willing to reproduce the book, as they do an exceptional job of reprinting.  Here's their web site: http://papertig.com/.  So, I decided to contact Fred Weiss, the publisher, and run the idea by him.  He said that although he had largely retired from publishing, he would consider it.  He recalls having the book himself and thinks he might still have it around somewhere.  So, we'll see.  

 

He mentioned the possibility of revising it with perhaps a forward by a professor of political science or of some similar subject.  He didn't think there was any issue with the copyright.  He also mentioned trying to contact the author.  Unfortunately, there are so many Joyce F. Jones in the country, it would be difficult to locate the right one, assuming she's still alive.  Needle in a haystack. :-/

 

(Edited by William Dwyer on 2/18, 1:39pm)



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