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In describing ISIL, the President recently said, “ISIL does not speak for Islam. They are thugs and killers. Part of a cult of death.” He has made similar remarks in the past.

 

To say that ISIL does not speak for Islam is like saying that fundamentalist Christians don't speak for Christianity. They do in the sense that they speak for a particular version of Christianity. Catholics speak for a different version, and Lutherans for an even different version.

 

The same is true for ISIL vis-a-vis Islam. It speaks for a particular version of the religion -- a fundamentalist version, as exemplified by the following passages in the Quran: “Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not know” (e.g., http://quran.com/2/216, quran.com/9/38). The Quran explicitly and repeatedly commands Muslims to “kill the unbelievers wherever you find them” (e.g., http://quran.com/2/191, quran.com/9/5), “strike off their heads” (e.g., quran.com/8/12, quran.com/47/4), make sex-slaves of their wives and daughters (e.g., quran.com/4/24, quran.com/33/50), and continue this jihad “until all opposition ends and all submit to ‘Allah’” (e.g., quran.com/8/39, quran.com/9/29). ...

 

Not all Muslims subscribe to these injunctions or interpret them as violently or as literally, but there is ample justification in the Quran for what ISIL is doing. The president is simply wrong when he says that ISIL does not speak for Islam. It does if the Quran can be said to have any bearing on the beliefs and actions of its followers.

 

Perhaps because his paternal grandfather was a Muslim and because he received religious instruction in a madrassa as a child, the president doesn't want to see the evil side of that religion. There is no other way to explain his claim, in the face of all evidence to the contrary, that "Islam is a religion of peace."



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Thursday, December 17, 2015 - 10:00amSanction this postReply
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Islam is no mere religion (link). 

 

The Jihadist Movement (link).



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Thursday, December 17, 2015 - 11:38amSanction this postReply
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If the media weren't like trainned puppies, one of them might have asked Obama what he thought the first 'I' in ISIL stood for.  People are divided in trying to understand if he is delusional or just massively ignorant and incompetent.  I don't think those are mutually exclusive cateogories.

 

I agree with Merlin that Islam is a different kind of religion - it is a political structure that is demanded as a moral imperative of the religion, and included is the demand that it be enforced on all people - not just those who adopt it voluntarily.  I think that is the true root and core nature of this ideology - which is evidenced in what Bill wrote in his post.  The fact that the majority of Muslims are good people who don't want to initiate violence is a tribute to two things: That most people don't have a psychological predisposition for violence, and the ability of people to be blind in the details of what they worship. (They call faith 'blind' for a reason - or, more accurately, for the lack of reason.)

 

It isn't Islam that is a religion of peace, but that there are people who are peaceful in spite of those scriptures calling for hate and violence.

 

Islam is the same religion, the same holy scriptures, and many of the same details and historical understandings for both the moderate Muslims and Islamic fundamentalists.  That's why the moderate Muslims have to be the driving force in changing that ideology - reforming it - aiding law enforcement in rooting out Jihadists in the West, forming coalitions in the Middle East, etc.  Being a majority is meaningless if they take no action - that will mean that the minorty will rule, will grow, will eventually force a true WWIII.



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Thursday, December 17, 2015 - 12:33pmSanction this postReply
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I'm curious as to whether any polling has been done as to the political distribution of Muslims in America.

 

1. How many (%) are Democrat vs. Republican vs. Independent (vs. Libertarian?)...

 

2. How many are liberal vs. conservative vs. moderate (vs. libertarian?)...

 

3. How many are in Occupy America vs. the Tea Party?

 

4. How many Muslims are pro-big government vs. anti-big government?

 

5. Pro-civil liberties and/or economic freedom vs. authoritarianism?

 

6. How many are collectivist-oriented vs. individualistic?

 

7. And all of this, of course, in comparison to the breakdown of the American population in general.

 

If we embrace and encourage the "moderate" Muslims, what are we *really* embracing and encouraging? Just "evolutionary" Sharia takeover as they out-multiply those prefering the American constitutional system - rather than revolutionary, violent takeover along jihadi lines? If that's the case, what't the benefit to welcoming the so-called moderates into our midst? If they're presenting themselves as tolerant, live-and-let-live, peaceful coexistence, because that's their preferred means to eventually subverting our liberties, how does that bode well for the future of this country?

 

I'm in favor of open immigration to a free society - but when we already have such a festering, metastasizing mess of PC welfare-statism, I think it only hastens the decline and fall of our nation to welcome hordes of people from the south and the east who do not share (what's left of) the true American values of individual responsibility and liberty.

 

Just some thoughts...

 

REB



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Thursday, December 17, 2015 - 1:17pmSanction this postReply
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"Muslims are far more likely to identify with or lean toward the Democratic Party (70%) than the Republican Party (11%) and to say they prefer a bigger government providing more services (68%) over a smaller government providing fewer services (21%)." Pew polling.



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Thursday, December 17, 2015 - 1:22pmSanction this postReply
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What I get from this, Merlin, is that "moderate" Muslims are likely to be welfare-statists, while "extremist" Muslims are likely to be totalitarian-statists. How many (I wonder) of the 11% who are Republicans are in favor of limited government, civil liberties, and economic freedom? As opposed to the Establishment, "RINO" folks in the GOP who seem just as hell-bent on expanding government and shrinking our liberties as are the Dem's?

 

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Saturday, December 19, 2015 - 4:01pmSanction this postReply
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Only 10% of the German population actively supported or were members of the Nazi party, look how well that turned out...

It does not matter one bit that the majority of muslims are peaceful if they tolerate or ignore the fundamentalists.  In many ways they cannot because the fundamentalists know the Koran backwards and forwards.  They use religious guilt on the moderates just as much as veiled violence to get their way.  

Where is their money coming from?  Kill their money and soon they would be powerless regardless of how loudly they scream "Death to America!".



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Saturday, December 19, 2015 - 7:21pmSanction this postReply
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Didn't Rand tell us - oh, maybe about 50 years ago - that the most consistent person in a conflict will win? Of course, there is nothing so consistent as an atomic bomb, as the fanatical Japanese found out, 70 years ago. But when it's a battle of ideas and guilt, the more consistent ideas and guilt will triumph. Just look at how Obama has sold us out to the Iranians - or how the GOP controlled Congress has sold us out to the Democrats.

 

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Saturday, December 19, 2015 - 7:52pmSanction this postReply
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http://fare.tunes.org/liberty/library/taifc.html

 

How prophetic of her to have penned this in 1941.



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