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Post 20

Monday, October 18, 2004 - 9:50amSanction this postReply
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Contender's for shortest book,

Joe, hilarious, I laughed at the spotted owl recipes the most.  Oh, you forgot Kill Your Television by Middle America.

Thanks,

Julia




Post 21

Monday, October 18, 2004 - 5:42pmSanction this postReply
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I agree, Julia. The list is hilarious, and the spotted owl recipes are the funniest. Joe, you done good!

Barbara



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Monday, October 18, 2004 - 6:03pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks, but I can't take all the credit, just a cut and paste job on my part. Betty Crocker did the rest!



Post 23

Monday, October 18, 2004 - 7:53pmSanction this postReply
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"...here are some other contenders for shortest book:
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Hahaha, thanks for the laugh!

By the way,  Israel had just won her first Gold metal in this year's summer Olympic game in Athens. It's in a sailing event.  I think there are several famous figure skaters who must be Jewish, Sasha Cohen, Tara Lipinski (??).




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Monday, October 18, 2004 - 11:37pmSanction this postReply
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How about these short books and books that won't exist.

Insane Clown Possie: A sense of life.

World's Fattest Anorexics

World's Tallest Midgets

Idiot Savants with no discernible talents

Everything Known about Sex after 60 (my grandparents actually have this book. It contains 100 blank pages!)

The True Genius of John Cage

How to lose friends and alienate people.

GW's Guide to Effective public speaking

Being Consistent and Principled by John Kerry

The Lasting Legacy of Gary Coleman

An Idiot's guide For Dummies

Fairy Tale Come true: The Marriage of Ann Coulter and Michael Moore

Erotic Photos of Jerry Fallwell

The talent of Britney Spears.

Al Gore: Renegade Wildman

How I turned One dollar into 25¢

The hidden danger of

Useless crap on eBay

The Humor of Adam Buker





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Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 3:25amSanction this postReply
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The shortest book should be "Irfan's Israeli Friends."
For his anti-Zionist views, see this article.




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Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 12:38pmSanction this postReply
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Michelle,

Two points:

1) He sounds like he thinks the stories about the Holocaust are melodrama and histrionics.  I think he's wrong about that, and

2) Aside from that, I actually think he's trying very hard to be impartial on the whole issue.




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Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 1:26pmSanction this postReply
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Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 1:46pmSanction this postReply
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Orion,

I don't think Irfan is anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish, he is only anti-Zionist, as appears from this essay.  He does not think the Holocaust was a sufficient reason for the establishment of the State of Israel. I also don't think it was the only reason - Jews settled in the Land of Israel long before WWII. In fact, my maternal grandparents settled there in the early 1920's, and my father arrived there in 1938 to join relatives who settled there at the turn of the 20th century.

-- Michelle 




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Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 4:05pmSanction this postReply
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I don't think Irfan is here any more: seems like he's just gone on a 'search and delete' mission on all his recent posts, all his articles and all his galleries. Perhaps he's been got at by Gotthelf?



Post 30

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 10:52pmSanction this postReply
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Michelle,

Well, considering that the Holocaust happened, I can totally understand the need for a Jewish haven.  It's as simple as that.




Post 31

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 10:53pmSanction this postReply
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Peter,

Maybe he's gotten death threats from Muslims...

And I'm not kidding.




Post 32

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 11:18pmSanction this postReply
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No, Orion, that's not the reason. Take a look at his Description.

Barbara



Post 33

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 12:07amSanction this postReply
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I see nothing in his description; it's totally blank. 

I assume he removed it for some reason.  Is this an incorrect assumption?




Post 34

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 1:44amSanction this postReply
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Irfan removed his "Description" himself - not for the first time - & went on a delete-spree removing much of everything else that he's written here as well. He sent me & Joe a private note saying it seemed that folk could say anything they liked about him here. I assume he was referring to Michelle's comments above about "My Israeli Friends" by Irfan being a contender for the title of one of the world's shortest books (which *was* a very cheap shot). As with Irfan's fight with Tibor - that prompted him to sling his hook a few weeks back - his feud with Michelle clearly long pre-dates SOLO & has nothing to do with SOLO. I don't know why folk feel they must bring their historical grievances against each other to a site that knows nothing about them & cares even less. Joe invalidated Irfan's membership as soon as we were alerted to the delete-spree, since that constituted vandalising of SOLO's property.

I regret this has happened since, as I said to Irfan, & as is obvious to anyone, he's highly intelligent & knowledgable, & a sharp, engaging writer. I personally enjoyed his contributions immensely. And I mean *all* his contributions - even those where he defended "headbanging caterwauling." I thought his exchanges with Mr Cresswell on this subject were among the all-time high-points of SOLOHQ, as were his exchanges with Orion on the true nature of Islam. But if he's hell-bent on throwing his toys out of the cot every few weeks when some ancient feud comes to the fore, I'm no longer going to try to dissuade him. He's more than intelligent enough to realise that such behaviour is counter-productive - as he showed when he returned to SOLOHQ after having a tantrum & leaving over Tibor & Gotthelf & who had slighted whom.

Exasperated Linz


(Edited by Lindsay Perigo on 10/20, 1:48am)




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Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 1:56amSanction this postReply
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"I thought his exchanges with Mr Cresswell on this subject were among the all-time high-points of SOLOHQ, as were his exchanges with Orion on the true nature of Islam."

And both of these exchanges (and the many others in which Irfan participated) are now going to look awfully odd without the posts to which they were responding. <sigh>




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Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 3:49amSanction this postReply
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I assume he was referring to Michelle's comments above about "My Israeli Friends" by Irfan being a contender for the title of one of the world's shortest books (which *was* a very cheap shot)...
 - his feud with Michelle clearly long pre-dates SOLO & has nothing to do with SOLO.  


It was a fair and balanced retaliation for Irfan's reply (post #13 on this thread) to my request for explanation (post #4) for his prior attack on me on "Objectivists in Academia."  Joe Rowlands agreed with me off-list that Irfan's reply was inappropriate. I had no grievance with Irfan prior to SOLO.  I described my friendship with him on "Objectivists in Academia."  This friendliness is expressed on the threads "SOLO on Israel" and "Zionist Israel" which still exist.  I don't see why Irfan should have a special status where he can insult whoever he wishes while others are not allowed to retaliate.



-- Michelle

(Edited by Michelle Cohen on 10/20, 12:09pm)

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(Edited by Michelle Cohen on 10/21, 4:11am)




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Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 7:49amSanction this postReply
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Here is his description:

I am currently adjunct professor of [etc.].

 

Though I first got involved in the Objectivist movement in 1991 through David Kelley’s Institute for Objectivist Studies, I left IOS in 1997, and am currently sympathetic to neither TOC nor ARI. I should add that what I write here reflects my own views, not those of any organization or institution, and that nothing I write here is intended to sanction anyone or anything beyond what I explicitly sanction. SOLO is, in Lindsay Perigo’s words, a “platform” for the views of its individual authors; authors are not to be understood as “signing on” to any agenda beyond that.

 

To be absolutely clear, however, given their prominence at SOLO, I especially wish to dissociate myself from both Barbara Branden and Tibor Machan. I regard Branden’s The Passion of Ayn Rand (both the book and the film) to be insulting and subversive of rational discourse. Machan’s brazen defamations of Allan Gotthelf (see thread entitled “Objectivism in Academia”) belong in the same category. An Objectivist movement worthy of the name has to get beyond such attitudes.
[…] Sept. 25, 2004

(Edited by Rodney Rawlings on 10/20, 8:20am)




Post 38

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 10:32amSanction this postReply
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Well, I for one, very much valued my dialogue with Irfan.

I was more than very grateful, that he actually sat down and took the time to analyze everything I posted, line by line, and then correct my limited understanding, in a very patient and understanding way.

Given that the issue of Islam is probably the most important issue of the day, and very stressful to me, it meant an awful, awful lot that someone such as himself would make that extra effort to enlighten me and ease a large degree of my pervasive, "state-of-the-world" anxieties.  As far as I'm concerned, his position on Islam is the most fair and comprehensive I've seen yet, from anybody.  His skill at -- and passion for --explaining puts him head and shoulders above other academic writers, who don't make the effort to really get down to the scriptural level, as he does.  He wants you to truly understand and make informed choices, not just take his word on it.

It was quickly obvious to me, just how massively and widely well-informed he is.  Perhaps his heightened awareness of things in the midst of so many who simply do not understand, creates a sense of anxiety and irritation in him that compels him to be deeply affected by comments such as Michelle's.  But all of this is only speculation; I can't know for sure right now.

But, if he wants to go, that's his business.  I only regret that he felt the need to take his words out of the historical record of SOLO, for others to read and no doubt benefit from.     




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Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 12:26pmSanction this postReply
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Just to let everyone know - the posts on the threads "SOLO on Israel" and "Zionist Israel" were not deleted. They stand in stark contrast to the article in Tikkun, as are the friendly exchanges between Mr. Khawaja and myself. 
The URL's are: http://www.solohq.com/Forum/GeneralForum/0199.shtml#10 
http://www.solohq.com/Forum/GeneralForum/0194.shtml

Michelle

(Edited by Michelle Cohen on 10/20, 8:25pm)

(Edited by Michelle Cohen on 10/21, 4:05am)




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