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Thursday, March 3, 2005 - 6:00pmSanction this postReply
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Oh my God!  Oh my God!  I just had a massive recall, a gestalt experience, a "flow" state of memories from my youth in the land of the Lutheran rednecks!

I remember the local no-frills television station, Channel 14 in Hickory, North Carolina, played these "Davey and Goliath" clips every afternoon in the midst of their other reruns of old "Betty Boop" animated shows, "The Little Rascals" and other black and white classics for children.  For a while, it got to be a time-consuming after-school habit that ate two hours between when I left the bus and when I ate dinner.  "Davey and Goliath" always resonated with me because the Lutheran Church in America, the synod to which my church belonged, produced it.  You can hear their theme song here:

http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/m/i/mightyfo.htm

Every episode of "Davey and Goliath" opened with stop-motion trumpeters playing this song, which we regularly sang in church.  I also remember we used to sing a hymn in the Lutheran Church that had the same melody as the German National Anthem.  Martin Luther certainly did a number on the Jews in Germany.  You can listen to it here:

http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/8106/Anthems/german.htm

That broadcasting time also featured Bible stories of "Uncle Hank," a man about whom I had completely forgotten until I read this post on SOLO today.  A Google search yielded this link:

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:BL5SiaTLDO8J:www.systers.com/benlippen/SchumObit.doc+%22Uncle+Hank%22%2BBible&hl=en

"Uncle Hank" led to my first chosen path to Jesus at the tender age of eight.  He said right there on the television I needed to take Jesus into my heart -- and I believed him!  That I already attended church and sang, under duress, in the Youth Choir contributed to my downfall.  Some kids will believe anything...

You can learn more about "Davey and Goliath" here:

http://www.awn.com/heaven_and_hell/DG/DG1.htm

Wow, what a trip down memory lane!  Thanks, Bob Palin, for posting this!

(Edited by Luther Setzer on 3/03, 6:55pm)


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Friday, March 4, 2005 - 3:35amSanction this postReply
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Religion and science are in different realms.  Nothing from science disproves anything from religion, nor can it.  Ask a religious person.  They will tell you. 

Religion rests on faith.  Faith is belief, not just without proof, but belief in disregard of disproof. 

I have flown above the clouds where the angels were thought to be.  They were not there.  All that did was move God and Heaven farther out.  Does "string theory" demand 11 dimension? Then the afterlife includes the next 22 dimensions, infinite dimensions. 

It has nothing to do with reason.  It has nothing to do with evidence. 

Faith is an epistemological primary.


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Friday, March 4, 2005 - 3:54amSanction this postReply
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Luther Setzer wrote: "I also remember we used to sing a hymn in the Lutheran Church that had the same melody as the German National Anthem.  Martin Luther certainly did a number on the Jews in Germany."

Nominally, we were Catholic -- but not very.  My grandmother was shipped off to America to prevent her from marrying a Protestant.  (It was a small village, but it had Catholics and "Reformeds" or Calvinists.)  So, she never had much passion for religion after that and a couple of her daughters grew up, got married, and then divorced; one of them was my mother.  We never went to church unless it was to be polite for a wedding. 

There was this woman on our street, however, who was Luthern.  She managed to round my brother and me up with a few of the other heathens and get us into the summer Bible school at the Evangelische Kirche in our neighborhood.  I learned the Lord's Prayer there and a few hymns.

Prayer was allowed in school back then, and my fourth grade teacher was Catholic and he led us in the Our Father every morning. They stopped with "... deliver us from evil" and we kept going "... forever and ever, amen."  (In the Catholic rite, that last part is said by the priest.)  I have committed that minor faux pas a few times in the last couple of years at funerals.  Someone even asked me about it. 

Funny thing was, this was another of those many small communities in the deep woods, and for all the Catholics, there were just as many Protestants, many of them Luthern, northern Michigan having many Scandanavians and Finns.  So, there we were at the funeral of an aunt who died at 99 years of age.  The Catholics in the family knew most of the Luthern liturgy, actually, and many of the hymns.  But I was the only one who knew "Pure is the sunlight..."  I hadn't heard it in 45 years, but I guess I must have learned it well.

Anyway, that German National Anthem was called "Austrian Hymn" in my piano book.  Mozart was a Mason, really, so he wrote music for everyone. 

You can pin a lot on Martin Luther, but whatever happened to the Jews was done willingly by other people with free will...  assuming that you accept the very religious doctine of free will...  Myself, I sometimes puzzle over the words of Saint Paul who wrote, "... we are predestined to be saved ..."


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Friday, March 4, 2005 - 4:05amSanction this postReply
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But Luther was by far a fine man, compared to the Pope ;)

Since I have been a protestant when I was young ( or rather brought up as a protestant), a lot of things had happened. I never had any deep feelings about some "god", because god never done me any good.
When I was five years old, I remember that my religious teacher in the Kindergarten caught me praying for a model of the battleship Bismarck. He said that this was not the way a prayer is meant to be. He urged me to pray for someone else, because this would be better.
I simply responded (with childish egoism) that I didn't want that someone else got the model, but I. And I asked why I may not pray what I want, if god loved everybody?

It was one of those time, I was glad that I was protestant and not catholic, because else I would have gotten a beating by the priest.


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Saturday, March 5, 2005 - 7:41amSanction this postReply
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Luther, were you named after a religion/religious leader/book of the bible?  hmmmm....maybe a name change is in order. It may give you closure from the lutheran red neck past that haunts you.

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Saturday, March 5, 2005 - 10:38amSanction this postReply
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"I also remember we used to sing a hymn in the Lutheran Church that had the same melody as the German National Anthem.  Martin Luther certainly did a number on the Jews in Germany."

Luther the music you are referring to was originally written by Austrian Josef Hayden in 1797, before Germany even existed. The music was used for the  National Athem of the Austrain Empire called "God Save Emperor Francis".

The first German national anthem in 1871 (of a unified country) was set to the music for "God Save the Queen". The music to "God Save Emperor Francis" was pinched by the Germans after the fall of the Austrian Empire in 1922.


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Saturday, March 5, 2005 - 12:05pmSanction this postReply
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Kat, I was named after my maternal grandfather.  Whether he was named for Martin Luther, I do not know.  But he was also a Lutheran, and I underwent the entire confirmation process.  I also share his nickname, "Luke," an author of a Holy Gospel!  On the plus side, I hear many more "Star Wars" wisecracks from my nickname that I do Bible ones.  "Use the Force...Young Skywalker...I am your father...Turn to the Dark Side, you knob!"

Marcus, I have sought in vain for the name of the Lutheran hymn which employs that music.  Can you help?


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Saturday, March 5, 2005 - 2:34pmSanction this postReply
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Luther,

This from Wikipedia:

 The tune has also been used as a hymn in English, to lyrics by John Newton which begin "Glorious things of thee are spoken/Zion, city of our God." http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/g/l/glorious.htm


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Saturday, March 5, 2005 - 3:22pmSanction this postReply
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Marcus, thanks so much!  Wow, those tunes brought back memories.  Did I mention anywhere in SOLO that my mother served as our church organist for almost 30 years?  My entire range of formative years from birth to adulthood saw her play these songs every week.  I recall spending many hours waiting through choir practice and music rehearsals, not to mention my own compulsory support of the Youth Choir!  Regarding that last, mercifully, the preacher's wife led that effort.

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