About
Content
Store
Forum

Rebirth of Reason
War
People
Archives
Objectivism

Post to this threadMark all messages in this thread as readMark all messages in this thread as unread


Post 0

Friday, March 18, 2005 - 8:38amSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
Anyone has seen this movie, I'd like to know your thoughts on this:  the style of this movie would be perfect for an Atlas Shrugged movie.  It was so hard and defined, yet somewhat bleak, so that the actors stood out more dramatically.  From the first scene I thought, "I'm seeing the world of AS on the screen."

Jason

(Edited by Jason Dixon on 3/18, 8:38am)


Post 1

Friday, March 18, 2005 - 11:20amSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
Other then the black and white, absolutly. Also EVERYTHING doesn't need to be in CG, that was just overkill. I really liked Sky Captain, all the main characters were very strong and the plot was exciting. They had a really good twist at the end and even though the movie slowed down at times, it still kept me intrested.

Now if I wanted to make an Atlas Shrugged movie, if would have to be in at least two parts maybe even three. I'd make it take place in the future so it seems more realistic. And I'd change the companies around, railroads and steel are crucial but these are differenct times and they don't strike the public as being hugely important.

Taggert Railroads would be say, an airline like UPS or something. Reardon could be like the Boeing or Lockheed. John Galt can keep his role, I liked that. The whole point is to make this revelent to today, anothers small example is have Galt make his speech from a television instead, basically bring everything up to date.

Post 2

Friday, March 18, 2005 - 9:06amSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
I agree, if they ever get round to doing the cinematography should be based upon World of Tommorow brushstroaks in Ayn Rand's alternate 50s America,

What I dread the most is a 're-imagining' where the plot is taken out of its specific time and place.  


Post 3

Friday, March 18, 2005 - 1:04pmSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
I think Galt's speech was on TV but with the picture blacked out.

I am probably in a minority with regard to an Atlas movie, I just can't see it being done well and if its not done well Iwould prefer it not be done at all. And I mean even with best intentions of people involved, the book was very philosophical and I just don't think a movie is the right kind of venue. Would even an abbreviated Galt speech (say 20 minutes long) go over well in movie format? I can't see it happening.

And the worst possible outcome then is for people to say "ok well I saw the movie, I'm not impressed, so no reason to read the book"


Post 4

Friday, March 18, 2005 - 8:52pmSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
I think the best possible way to bring Atlas Shrugged to life would be an HBO or Showtime mini-series. If you've seen Band of Brothers, then you know that the format can combine an epic scale with an an intimate exploration the characters' ideas and emotions.

As for updating it, I don't think that is necessary. When telling a visual story, it is only a contradiction of everyday aspects of the action that takes a viewer out of the moment. We can entertain fantastic ideas when given a proper context, but the context must be set in a reality that is understandable to us. For example, you can go along with the idea that an undead chainsaw-wielding maniac is out to kill people, but you just cannot believe that someone would be clumsy enough to trip every ten feet whilst escaping him, or that that large-breasted, long-legged girl cannot outrun the half-decompsed villain who has but one functioning leg and is obviously traveling at a much slower rate than the girl.

Post 5

Friday, March 18, 2005 - 9:22pmSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
I thought once that Atlas should be updated, but the more I think about it...there was an anecdote about the creation of "HAPPY DAYS", which is set in the fifties. Someone said that if you set a show in the past, it will never look dated.
It's been said that Atlas has an anachronistic feel to it, it's sorta sci fi, but hearkens back to another time; it really doesn't seem to be a particular day and age, making it timeless. Besides, if you update it to match today, it will be made obsolete by the future.
I think the SKY CAPTAIN comparison is interesting in this respect, since that movie hearkens back to that 1950's sci-fi style, yet manages to look pretty modern at the same time.

Post 6

Saturday, August 6, 2005 - 11:45pmSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
   Re Sky Captain...: I loved it until the story/plot questions started piling up, the 1st being: "Uh, here come the robots, ok; there's the CD-sirens going off, ok; there's the police units forming up, ok; there's Sky Captain coming, ok....uh....where's the military?" - Then there's: Sky Captain has his own, personal army; hey, ok; the British have their own (uh, 'secret'? really?) air-fortresses, ok;  and they're led by Angelina Jolie, now that's REALLY 'OK!'; and SC's base is a mere car-drive from NYC...ok. But, he's the only one with a plane to zoom around NYC? And that plane is more fuel-efficient than my old V-8. And it can dive-bomb into the ocean without cracking up? And how did formerly-captured Dex get hold of the hover-craft in the villain's lair with Bai Ling running around? And...I could go on, but...

   I loved the idea; but the execution, story-wise, lacked big-time. And one of my favorite movies is Mary Poppins (and another is Who Framed Roger Rabbit?), so don't get on me about inability re 'suspension of dis-belief.'

   Don't get me wrong: I...liked...it. But it could've been so much better done, story-holes-wise. These piled up to distractions.

   Re all the cgi used, as I understand from the commentaries on the DVD, there was no other way to do it. Ah-h-h, and the commentaries ! One by the producer, who seemed to either discuss interesting, but irrelevent-to-the-scene-depicted, aspects of the actors or movie-making (or his helping the 1st-time director/writer), or, for the umpty-umpteenth time pointing out that "Here it's just a box and 1 prop with the actors in front of a blue-screen." The second, by the director/writer no less, talking about the sfx technical proficiency in each scene and the difficulty the actors (and he) had.

   But no one talked-about-the-story-or-plotline. In short, I found most of each commentary, after their 1st 15 mins, IRrelevent to what I was watching. Which means I watched this sucker 3x; at this point, 2 1/2 times too many. Methinks the writer/story-maker was more intent on 'images' than on (consider: it was very cliched to begin with, non?) the story's...scene/plot...connections.

   I'll give this to the actors though: If anyone deserves AA nominations, these actors did; all their acting was with as 'minimalist' a stage-environment as one could be stuck in; they are the ones who MADE the movie believeable (to the extent it distractingly was able to be.) Jude Law, Gwyneth Paltrow, Angelina Jolie primarily, but also the others.

   Also, as an aside, I'll give Oliver Stone this: I just caught Alexander on DVD, and though I got tired after the 3rd time he referred to (artistic) licence, at least his commentary was relevent to each scene and the story (as well as his history-sources.)

   Re Atlas Shrugged done in this cgi 30's-'deco'-noir style: I understand the attraction, but, I don't think this'd be good. SC was purposely given a 'dated' look for the fantasy-idea of the times re how the 'future' might be. Were Atlas Shrugged done nowadays, it'd be obvious that one was making it as an anachronism were one to ignore that we now have an ISS, a Mars Landing, an Internet, etc. Think about it. It would HAVE to be contemporized to some degree lest it be considered 'historical'-oriented. We can deal with Shakespeare's 'timeless stories' this way, but not Ayn Rand's. --- Further: granted, thanx to Lucas, we now have movie-'sagas' akin to TV-miniseries, where a given story (SW, The Matrix, Kill Bill, LOTR) is consumer-accepted to take up more than one movie. However, I really don't see AS fitting in here (and it WOULD, to do it justice, take up at least 6 hrs) movie-wise. The last section just wouldn't have enough...pizzazz...for a bona-fide theatrical movie. And for sure, as a whole, it SHOULDN'T be truncated. It needs to be a TV (or, special-to-DVD!) miniseries; no less is worthwhile.

J-D


Post 7

Sunday, August 7, 2005 - 8:40pmSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
John, yes, as I said above, there are some problems with the plot.  Sometimes, this happens in the editing, where an essential is removed.  In this case, I think they were all just more focussed on the aesthetic look and feel. 

I agree about the commentaries.  I said the same in my rave for The West Wing.  I have watched several more WW commentaries and they do not get much better, though some do provide insights. I think that the underlying "problem" is that for these people FILM IS THEIR MEDIUM OF EXPRESSION.  If they could say it in words, they would not need to make a movie.  That is why reviews of music, dance, etc., all fail, at some level, whereas reviews of books seem to work well enough.

Also, for the actors, I think that broadly, actors have few if any ideas of their own and only know what to say because someone wrote their lines.  Some actors are more complex, of course. 


Post 8

Sunday, July 2, 2006 - 1:01pmSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
Jason Dixon - "I'd like to know your thoughts on this: 
the style of this movie would be perfect for an Atlas Shrugged movie."
 
there has been much discussion
of the up-coming "atlas shrugged" movie
 
over at "Earth's Biggest Movie Database":


Post to this thread


User ID Password or create a free account.