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Friday, December 7, 2007 - 3:38pmSanction this postReply
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I'm totally dragging my daughter to this movie when it opens. 

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Friday, December 7, 2007 - 4:20pmSanction this postReply
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Teresa,

I was concerned when you mentioned taking your daughter to see this, as it is very graphic and violent and not appropriate for kids.  However, I clicked on your profile, and was happy to see your daughter is at an age where she can really appreciate this.  It's a frightening and fabulous film.

While I was browsing your profile, I noticed a comment you made about Norman Rockwell that made me smile.  I agree with you wholeheartedly!


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Friday, December 7, 2007 - 4:58pmSanction this postReply
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I like Teresa because she is hilarious and smokes.

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Friday, December 7, 2007 - 7:04pmSanction this postReply
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Ashley will be 19 on Sunday.  I should post her picture instead of mine. She is my clone, afterall. 

Eric, your good fortune of seeing an early release and writing such a fine review gave me an interest I'm sure I never would have otherwise had.


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Friday, December 7, 2007 - 8:40pmSanction this postReply
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I can't wait for Pedro Almodovar's "saucy" musical comedy Almuerzo con Jeffrey Dahmer.

Ted

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Sunday, December 9, 2007 - 9:03amSanction this postReply
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     I caught some PBS presentation of the stage-version of SWEENEY TODD a while ago. Found it weirdly interesting...for a musical...but, not something I'd want to watch again.

     However, Johnny Depp? With Tim Burton...again?

     I will catch it.

LLAP
J:D

PS: The 'wiki' background is quite interesting. Todd seems a myth/legend in literary history (if not history proper) akin to Jack-The-Ripper.


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Sunday, December 9, 2007 - 10:50amSanction this postReply
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Oh, for the Love of God!

I also understand that the Texas Chainsaw Massacre has some basis in actual events. Isn't it wonderful that we have such a vibrant serial-killer genre? I wonder if someone could apply his literary talents to translate Mohammed Atta's suicide declaration into to a campy one-man stage act? How about the Jihadi Monologues? With discussions of how best to stone your daughter, and behead your infidel neighbor?

Talk about painting a lady with a cold-sore on her lip! Am I the only person who finds praising a musical about throat-slitting cannibals a bit odd? How I long for the good old-fashioned decency of The Rocky-Horror Picture Show!

Ted Keer
(Edited by Ted Keer on 12/09, 10:54am)


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Sunday, December 9, 2007 - 4:34pmSanction this postReply
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From what I read in Wiki - I, too, wonder at this praising of a murderer, even if, given provocation, there might have been some valid basis for some of the 'barbar-ic offerings'.....

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Sunday, December 9, 2007 - 5:19pmSanction this postReply
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John,

Thanks for recommending the interesting wiki piece on the background of Sweeney Todd. It’s certainly had a long shelf-life, having been dramatized in so many forms over the years. I, too, have seen the PBS broadcast, which does a disservice to this great work of art. While PBS thinks it is doing good by bringing theatre into the home, they overlook the fact that a live performance doesn’t translate to the small screen.

Sitting in a concert hall and listening to a symphony orchestra play is a completely different experience than watching it on television. The same holds true for opera and musical theatre. When the staging and performance styles are designed for a proscenium theatre, that is the medium in which they are meant to be seen. The videotaped performance of the stage production of Sweeney Todd is not surprisingly kind of boring. The film, however, works beautifully.

Still, opera and musical theatre isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, so this movie may not be for you.


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Sunday, December 9, 2007 - 5:34pmSanction this postReply
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Robert and Ted,

I can certainly understand your concerns. After all, if we assume that musicals treat subject matter frivolously, and horror depicts violence gratuitously, then a combination of musical comedy and horror should be revolting. But Sweeney Todd transcends these genres. It lends a serious and intelligent treatment to a story in which the horrific elements are integral to the plot and theme.

I think one reason this story lasts is due to the strong distinction it draws between good and evil. The good is concretized in the characters of Joanna and her suitor, Anthony Hope. Their longing to be together in a union of love is depicted genuinely. Anthony displays more than one act of courage in his pursuit of love, as does she. Evil, on the other hand, is concretized centrally in the character of Sweeney Todd, and peripherally in the malevolent Judge Turpin and amoral Mrs. Lovett. Without giving away too much of this suspenseful story, suffice it to say that the evil characters all get their “just desserts” in the end.

The blood and gore in the story presents evil in the most repugnant and artistically graphic way possible. When we respond with utter horror to the violence, it is the precise response the filmmakers are striving to elicit from us. This isn’t a celebration of irrational violence, but an indictment of it. Sweeney Todd is a morality tale, condemning brutality and injustice, while extolling love and beneficence. It’s highly stylized presentation transforms what could be a mere melodrama into a masterpiece.


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Monday, December 10, 2007 - 2:22pmSanction this postReply
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Eric:

     Re comparing TV of a stage-presentation to the actual 'being-there' experience, no argument, whether plays, musicals, concerts, whatever.

     Ntl, PBS has shown things over the decades to so many that that same 'so many' would not have been even barely familiar with such due to location of the stage re their living area. --- I can't get to NYC too often. Better half-a-loaf than none re any of the 'arts', in my view; were it not for PBS, I'd have nothing to offer in this thread re my views on this particular...play; or, for that matter, much else in 'arts.'

LLAP
J:D


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Monday, December 10, 2007 - 3:06pmSanction this postReply
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     Re the concern about this play's orientation around a serial killer, I had quite similar feelings about its worth precisely because of that; indeed, I found watching it akin to watching SILENCE OF THE LAMBS...or reading THE GODFATHER (very sicko-'bad' people, no?)

     As long as I don't see 'praiseworthy' worthwhileness played up therein re the characters (or, the story's metaphysics about how to see life)...I find such, when well done, as interesting 'character-studies' worth catching...once (apart from certain actors, like Depp, re-doing them.)

LLAP
J:D


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Monday, December 10, 2007 - 3:08pmSanction this postReply
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Finally...

     Besides, once I saw the movie version of ALL THAT JAZZ which can be categorized as a 'musical' about...well...Death, I accepted that a 'musical' can, with good writers/composers, be thought-provokingly made about ANY subject.

     Am disconcertingly awaiting  HANNIBAL: THE CHEF'S MUSICAL. 

LLAP
J:D


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Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 7:09pmSanction this postReply
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Eric,

I'm not a huge fan of opera and musicals. My Fair Lady and Sound of Music are favorites, and also exhaust my interest in the genre. Your enthusiasm and cogent statements make it clear you have good reasons for the joy you take in the experience. I simply saw a few seconds of Angela Lansbury on PBS and was immediately turned off. I did enjoy Silence of the Lambs, but not repeatedly nor for the gorey parts. And I walked out of the disgusting Hannibal.

I suppose the artist must take his inspiration where he finds it. I just wish that the effort that went into such things as Sweeney Todd more often went into such subjects as The Miracle Worker.

Ted Keer

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Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 10:25pmSanction this postReply
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Like you guys, I generally don't like violent movies.  On occasion, I do enjoy suspense and psychological thrillers, though.  Psycho comes to mind as a film I really like, not because it reflects my sense of life, but because it is so brilliantly executed.  Similarly with Sweeney Todd, it isn't the penny dreadful melodramatic story that moves me, but rather the sheer genius in how the story is told.    

Ted, the musicals you mentioned are two of my favorites.  Another one, which you might enjoy if you're not already familiar with it, is examined in this article:  http://rebirthofreason.com/Articles/Eric/On_a_Bright_Cloud_of_Music.shtml 


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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 7:22pmSanction this postReply
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Ah, yes, I haven't seen The King and I since the early 80's. Yul Brenner must still have been with us. I don't remember enough to make a "philosophical" judgement, but I do remember that I liked it. I recently found Mary Poppins morally repulsive.

Ted Keer

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Wednesday, January 2, 2008 - 9:22amSanction this postReply
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I didn't find the movie to be in praise of a murderer; if anything, the ending jarred me from my twisted reverie into the reality of the situation.  Both of the lead characters were utterly despicable.

Amazing work of art.


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