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Saturday, July 31, 2004 - 9:20amSanction this postReply
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One would hope that this turkey might actually motivate his audience to read some of Rand's works to judge for themselves.

Sam


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Saturday, July 31, 2004 - 10:26amSanction this postReply
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The article is so full of straw men and distortions, it's not worth answering.

Barbara

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Saturday, July 31, 2004 - 2:20pmSanction this postReply
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That was pretty worthless.  He should visit SOLOHQ.  Should I invite him?  LoL.

(Just kidding; it wouldn't serve a purpose.  The author obviously knows everything there is to know about Rand and Objectivism.)


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Saturday, July 31, 2004 - 7:26pmSanction this postReply
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Anyone who puts "doctors' 'moral right to be free' " in sneer quotes is completely undeserving of my time and attention.

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Sunday, August 1, 2004 - 1:53amSanction this postReply
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"This self-canonized high priestess of Objectivism waves her wand, and confidently intones that, for example, 'city smog and filthy rivers...are not the kind of danger that the ecological panic-mongers proclaim them to be'"

An example of the distortion - while it would be pretty stupid to say that air and river pollution were not dangerous, Rand in fact says the opposite.

"City smog and filthy rivers are not good for men (though they are not the kind of danger that the ecological panic-mongers proclaim them to be). This is a scientific, technological problem—not a political one—and it can be solved only by technology"

If Objectivism were really such a "marginal...cult of personality", there would be no need to leftists to invent such unhinged condemnations of it.

Phil


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Sunday, August 1, 2004 - 7:27amSanction this postReply
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Was there an analysis crouched somewhere in the article, or was that just ranting?


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Sunday, August 1, 2004 - 2:21pmSanction this postReply
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i'm almost afraid to not respond to it due to its sheer madness. what did rand say about uncontested absurdities again?

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Sunday, August 1, 2004 - 5:21pmSanction this postReply
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The "unreadable or badly written novels" argument is a clue to the reliability and honesty of the author's article.
 
The other one that appears with frequency about Ayn Rand is "she doesn't haven't anything original to say or that her influence on society is greatly exaggerated."
 
I wonder who they think they are addressing when they use arguments as such? Will distortion work against those of independent mind and judgement? In the end, they defeat their own aim by trying to distort the conceptions of bright and intelligent people who read the writings of Ayn Rand.


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Sunday, August 1, 2004 - 8:00pmSanction this postReply
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"Objectivism is fundamentally Stalinism, reupholstered to couch capitalist sensibilities."

This would be funny, if it weren't so sad.


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Monday, August 2, 2004 - 11:38amSanction this postReply
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what did rand say about uncontested absurdities again?
That crossed my mind, too.  On the other hand, given the fire of the writer, and the lack of any substantial argument/counter-argument, I don't see much of a chance to grapple with somebody who is at least trying to be reasonable.  I keep wavering back and forth on the issue of e-mailing Mr. Kostic, but I'm afraid that it would be nothing but a waste of my time.


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Monday, August 2, 2004 - 7:46pmSanction this postReply
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What a conundrum! We all know that the author of the article is dead wrong, and has blatantly used a variety of sleazy techniques (e.g., "straw men," as Dr. Branden points out) to dismiss Objectivism as totally false.

Do we ignore him, or respond?

Is any purpose served in that response?

The situation, of course, is that the article was lifted from another site and reproduced here. It's merely an example of how leftists characterize Objectivism to fellow leftists. The author didn't pop in here to throw down the gauntlet, nor did he publish that statement in some general forum for debate. No response is required because there was, in fact, no challenge.

On the other hand, each one of us should feel comfortable in our ability to respond, if and when such a challenge comes our way. But, unless we occasionally mix it up with these ideologues— especially with uncommitted third parties looking on—we often don't realize how unprepared and overconfident we are.

Having authored a libertarian blog for a couple of years with the traffic being mostly under-educated teens (many of them budding socialists), I can't tell you I often got a surprisingly rude awakening when confronted by an accusation such as this one from the article:

The "reason" that Objectivism pays so much lip service to is nowhere in view. Its followers will not acknowledge, for example, the staggering failures of private corporations to provide any health care to more than 40 million Americans and affordable health care to any of the rest.


My main purpose was always to influence the uncommitted onlookers, because I knew the challenger was too far gone. Believe me, it's not a simple matter to reframe that accusation using the principles of private property and individual responsibility just to counter it, and still keep an audience.

Having said that, however, I have to admit that it's been a terrific learning process for me, both in being forced to re-think every position, and then having to react in a way that at least earned the respect of the onlookers, and sometimes even the opponent.

Sure, we could deconstruct the argument here, then pat each other on the back for a job well done, but it would only amount to an "exercise." I vote to save the energy and meet them on neutral ground. Change some minds! Or, at least rattle their cages.

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