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Post 80

Thursday, August 5, 2004 - 4:06amSanction this postReply
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Oh, I can tell you that, Eli:

No anal sex, no blowjobs, no handjobs, no hugging, no kissing, no donkey punches, no steaming carls, no dirty sanchez', no piledriver, no salad-tossing--in fact let's just eliminate the mouth altogether, huh?--no heavy petting, no caresses, no earlobe biting (oops forgot about the mouth)....

Basically, what's permitted is: vaginal-penile intercourse, which must result in male completion.  If a child is not forthcoming, say ten Hail Marys and call Rat in the morning.

Edit:  Yes, SOLO, this is what Linz' news announcement has sunk to.  Enjoy.

(Edited by Jeremy on 8/05, 4:12am)


Post 81

Thursday, August 5, 2004 - 4:46amSanction this postReply
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Citizen Rat, I havn't unsanctioned anyone in months, so its another of your fans.

Post 82

Thursday, August 5, 2004 - 4:56amSanction this postReply
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Jeremy said: "No anal sex, no blowjobs, no handjobs, no hugging, no kissing, no donkey punches, no steaming carls, no dirty sanchez', no piledriver, no salad-tossing--in fact let's just eliminate the mouth altogether, huh?--no heavy petting, no caresses, no earlobe biting (oops forgot about the mouth)....

Basically, what's permitted is: vaginal-penile intercourse, which must result in male completion.  If a child is not forthcoming, say ten Hail Marys and call Rat in the morning."

Good thing I wasn't drinking my coffee when I read this :-)


Jeremy said: "Yes, SOLO, this is what Linz' news announcement has sunk to.  Enjoy."

I couldn't agree more.

There is certainly value to be had in argueing with those we disgree with as it can make us better at presenting our ideas, but we can also become sidetracked from more important tasks. As with all things, an apprpriate balance must be struck.

Ethan


Post 83

Thursday, August 5, 2004 - 8:49amSanction this postReply
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Jeremy,

While you're at it, you forgot "chili dogs", "Cleveland Steamers", "blumpkins", and "cherry danishes".

*LOL*


Post 84

Thursday, August 5, 2004 - 9:13amSanction this postReply
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Ethan, Eli, & Jeremy,
 
Please get back to me when you want to discuss this matter seriously.  In the meantime I have neither the will nor the desire to correct your foolish Catholic stereotyping.
 
A special note to Ethan:
 
I would appreciate if you carefully considered these thoughts.  The ideal for human sexuality is fidelity to the opposite institutionalized in the form of marriage.  A person with homosexual proclivities may never achieve this ideal for the understandable reason that trying to do so might make him profoundly unhappy.  But since when is sexuality the end-all and be-all of the good life?  Few of us achieve the ideal in any realm of life.  None of us achieve it in all realms.
 
For example, as I kid I was always the last to be selected for the pick-up baseball game we always played on nice spring days before school started.  I understood early in life that I would not achieve anything close to the ideal in a significant realm of life:  Athletics.  However, that did not stop me from enjoying sports, as poorly as I played them, and in the end I was even able to letter a couple of times in high school.  So I found enjoyment in a part of life that I would never even match the so-so guys in.  I didn't fool myself into thinking that my limitations in athletics redefined -- or worse, eliminated -- the ideal for all of us.  Nor did I make my limitations a centerpiece of my life.  I excepted the standards of athletics as they were, made the best of it there, and sought to excel elsewhere.
 
I do believe a person burdened with homosexuality makes a mistake to not recognize that abnormality as it is: A significant limitation on achieving the ideal in human sexuality.  However, none of that has to be prescription for unhappiness, just as my lack of athletic prowress did not deny me the enjoyment of sports.  Granted the hurdles are much higher in the former case, if only because the world can be quite cruel to a homosexual -- but then life isn't fair.  So one must make figure out with the card dealts to him where his happiness lies.  If he insists upon demanding it from cards he doesn't hold, he has only himself to blame for his misery.
 
Regards,
Bill


Post 85

Thursday, August 5, 2004 - 9:39amSanction this postReply
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Citizen Rat said: "I do believe a person burdened with homosexuality
 
You are the one who is clearly burdened by the homosexuality in others.
 
"makes a mistake to not recognize that abnormality as it is: A significant limitation on achieving the ideal in human sexuality."
 
You have failed to show that this is so.
 
Your bigotry is irrational. End of discussion as I see it.
 




Post 86

Thursday, August 5, 2004 - 9:48amSanction this postReply
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"In the meantime I have neither the will nor the desire to correct your foolish Catholic stereotyping."
 
I dont think Eli realized that youre the resident catholic


Post 87

Thursday, August 5, 2004 - 10:07amSanction this postReply
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My dear Ethan,
 
You complain: >>Your bigotry is irrational.<<
 
And what bigotry would be rational?
 
In any event, how have I demonstrated any bigotry?  My point, which you appear to not have carefully considered, was that I will NOT define a person in terms of his sexuality, even if he is foolish enough to do so to himself.  I don't see a homosexual as a homosexual.  I see him as a human being, which perhaps I may pity if he makes a fetish of sexuality to the exclusion of all else life has to offer.  (Just as I may pity the lothario who has enslaved himself to his libido.)
 
This is the upside-down irrational world of gay identity politics when the bigot is the one who thinks there is more to a man than his lusts.
 
Regards,
Bill


Post 88

Thursday, August 5, 2004 - 10:10amSanction this postReply
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Hi, Robert.
 
>>I dont think Eli realized that youre the resident catholic<<
 
Perhaps not.  Though he wasn't making any serious point.
 
Regards,
Bill


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Post 89

Thursday, August 5, 2004 - 10:19amSanction this postReply
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Citizen Rat said: "was that I will NOT define a person in terms of his sexuality"

You talk in circle circle circles. Must conform to what natural. Yeah its Nature. Its nature is its nature. No! Must  make volitional choice against your nature. Its not nature its majority that is normal. Must be normal yes yes.


Post 90

Thursday, August 5, 2004 - 10:34amSanction this postReply
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Ethan, my friend,
 
I think it's time you took a deep breath.
 
Regards,
Bill


Post 91

Thursday, August 5, 2004 - 11:34amSanction this postReply
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i did not know he was catholic, though i suspected from his posts that he was religious.

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Post 92

Thursday, August 5, 2004 - 11:40amSanction this postReply
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Rat: Take your smug sadism elswhere.

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Post 93

Thursday, August 5, 2004 - 3:39pmSanction this postReply
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Stolyarov: 

"Do you see how infinitesimally periferal and inconsequential an Objectivist's stance on abortion is in evaluating his general adherence to the filosofy?"

These issues of personal liberty (abortion, suicide, prudishness, romantic relationships) are not merely superfluous window dressing that you can test your word games on. They are absolutely critical to the question of “who owns my life?” Indeed, these are more fundamental than issues such as taxation and small government. Objectivism builds capitalist politics on individualist ethics, not the other way around - your “innovative” authoritarian re-interpretation of the philosophy notwithstanding.

 

The fact that you have previously referred to abortion as a “holocaust” suggests either that you also take this issue very seriously (and that it’s not “infinitesimally periferal and inconsequential”) or that you are in the habit of flinging emotive, imprecise metaphors about.

 

Finally, the fact that you can reach such egregiously wrong conclusions on (what you consider) “infinitesimally peripheral and inconsequential” issues indicates that you could just as easily reach egregiously false conclusions on other issues that might not be so “infinitesimally periferal and inconsequential.” Your stance on marriage ultimately conceded positive rights to children. I’m sure no-one would consider the nature of rights to be “infinitesimally periferal and inconsequential” to Objectivism.


Post 94

Thursday, August 5, 2004 - 4:56pmSanction this postReply
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Bill, this is not a hostile post, I'm just curious. I don't know if it was on this thread, but somewhere recently you apologized for being "smarmy" and that reminded me of this old post:
I played upon what I knew were certain human weaknesses and instigated a bit of mess here.  For this I wish to apologize to Joseph, Jeff, and you. 
I also recall you saying something similar in the interim in another post. Now, you being a Catholic (which I was in another lifetime), do you believe you will get to heaven?


Post 95

Thursday, August 5, 2004 - 5:26pmSanction this postReply
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Hi, Rodney.
 
>>Now, you being a Catholic (which I was in another lifetime), do you believe you will get to heaven?<<
 
That's an interesting question, which I've never really asked myself.  To be honest, Rodney, I try to behave better and apologize for the wrongs I do to improve my life here.  I figure if I do that, the rest will be taken care of.
 
Regards,
Bill


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Post 96

Monday, August 9, 2004 - 5:52amSanction this postReply
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I've been on vacation until now, so thought I'd chime in, in support of Joe/Linz's decisions. It's a bit of a Catch-22 to decide when to draw the line. On one side you have people screaming censorship, on the other you have objectivists losing interest (possibly) as articles appear that are fundamentally opposed to objectivism. It also doesn't help that many of the people I find most gifted and inspirational don't have the time to continuously contribute content.  

There's a difference between being open to discussion, and allowing your forum to be a platform for other agendas. The purpose of SOLO is to advance objectivism and its ideas. While practicing debating with non-objectivists has its uses, that's not really what it was set up to be. Glenn is also 100% right that these issues are not small, inconsequential issues.

I'm still a bit shocked that someone can advocate taking away such personal liberties and still be defended on the merit of their politeness. It's a bit scary when people prefer presentation to content.  

-Elizabeth


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Post 97

Monday, August 9, 2004 - 6:12amSanction this postReply
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Well, I'm now working on several articles, as I haven't contributed yet. We'll see if they turn out worthwhile. It will be nice to re-focus from these negative debates onto something positive.

Ethan


Post 98

Sunday, August 15, 2004 - 10:52pmSanction this postReply
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hey, um, is that a news item on the home page, right now, advertising stolyarov's store?

lol,
eli

Post 99

Monday, August 16, 2004 - 6:49pmSanction this postReply
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gorramit! someone respond to my last post!

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