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Post 40

Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 11:02amSanction this postReply
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What is the proper term for those who frequent this site? 
Apparently "Saddamite"!


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Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 11:05amSanction this postReply
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Horrors! Robert Bidinotto used "qua." Everybody duck!

Qua qua qua qua qua qua qua qua qua qua qua qua qua qua qua qua!


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Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 11:07amSanction this postReply
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Rawlings, consider yourself repudiated qua repudiation. (Which is, as you think about it, the most irrevocable kind of repudiation.)

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Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 11:16amSanction this postReply
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Speaking of saddmites, I nearly pissed myself when I won a game of Lindsay Hangman http://www.solohq.com/games/hangman.shtml

Edit: Actually you get the same quote when you lose, but its funnier after the victory dance.

(Edited by Ethan Dawe on 2/10, 11:17am)


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Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 11:17amSanction this postReply
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The perspicacious Mr. Perry asks:

"What is the proper term for those who frequent this site?  SOLOist, SOLOite, Lindsayist, or my favorite that I'm coining--Perigonian?"

The elite among those who frequent this site are "Linzians." (The rest, of course, are mere students of Linzianism.)

The dictionary definition of a Linzian is:

"Person of superior wisdom, taste & sensibility."

I should immediately make it clear that Mr. Bidinotto is not a Linzian. Mr. Bidinotto is, in fact, an irredeemable Peikovian. This became clear at TOC-Vancouver when Mr. Bidinotto, in an outrageous display of intrinsicism, rationalism, mysticism, subjectivism, empiricism, altruism and collectivism (yes, all at once and in the same respect - that's how low Mr. Bidinotto has fallen) labelled me a "raving relativist."

I informed Mr. Bidinotto that bringing my relatives into it was in extremely poor taste & a monstrous injustice. That is still my intransigent view. I hereby repudiate Mr. Bidinotto, totally & permanently, as a spokesman for me or for Linzianism.

Linz


(Edited by Lindsay Perigo on 2/10, 11:20am)


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Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 11:22amSanction this postReply
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Rawlings, consider yourself repudiated qua repudiation. (Which is, as you think about it, the most irrevocable kind of repudiation.)
Not quite Robert.

Scroll down and follow that link, trust me you will discover a whole new level of repudiation, repudiation on the noumenal level:

Ayn Rand Institute  http://www.aynrand.org/


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Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 11:27amSanction this postReply
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The elite among those who frequent this site are "Linzians."
Linz, did you mean to say 'Lesbians'?

You cant take credit for that, I was a lesbian long before I ever heard of Solo.

George


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Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 11:30amSanction this postReply
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Deny reality as you will, Perigo, but be warned: "Reality is that which denies its denier."

Or something like that.

For those looking for that school of Objectivist interpretation that is both coherent and correspondent in its relationship to the axioms, seven virtues, three cardinal values, and all that stuff, I encourage you to consider Bidinottism. Observe the ethical-epistemological absolutism integral even in the term itself, i. e., the uncompromising "NOT," e. g., "BidiNOTtism." Q. E. D. 

Followers may follow the link to my blog http://bidiNOTto.journalspace.com, where they can learn how to become a Bidinottist. 
 
(Warning: this term applies solely and exclusively to those displaying the Conceptual Common Denominators of my philosophy, Bidinottism. Hence, it is and remains my intellectual property, whose unauthorized use by irredeemable parasites does not conform either/or to truth or toleration. Beyond public repudiation, and permanent exclusion from my Valley, such unauthorized use will be answered in full measure with legal action and relentless spam.)


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Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 11:39amSanction this postReply
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Followers may follow the link to my blog http://bidiNOTto.journalspace.com, where they can learn how to become a Bidinottist. 
Sciabarra's blog is better than yours.


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Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 11:44amSanction this postReply
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"...better than..."

Aha! Caught you in comparative evaluation, George, proving that you are indeed a Social Metaphysician.

As a man of Independence, why should I care if Sciabarra is a lot more intelligent, well-read, scholarly, literate, convincing, and ultimately, effective, than I, hmmmm? (Blank out.)


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Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 11:54amSanction this postReply
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I suppose Iannoloism is too much of a mouthful -- so many blasted vowels.  I'll have to think of something else.

Just call me Goddess and be done with it.


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Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 12:21pmSanction this postReply
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Girl, I'd be a Iannoloist! But I can't call you Goddess -- too many of my friends have reserved that title!

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Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 12:47pmSanction this postReply
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To: Danny Silvera (post #22)

You are the one demanding that one stands either 100% with Peikoff or 100% with Branden, than accuses someone who says that both Adam Reed and Michael Newberry have a point in being politically correct.


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Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 1:09pmSanction this postReply
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To: Bidinotto (post  #21)

After reading Branden's negative, vengeful account, I have a valid interest in reading the account of the other side. Even if the published collection of Rand's letters and journal entries is incomplete, it is not forged.

If people look down at Objectivism because of the conduct of the originator of the philosophy, it is because all they have is Branden's negative account. This time the ridicule is on those who refuse to read Rand's account of the affair because it may make them question Branden's account.


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Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 1:31pmSanction this postReply
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To: Danny Silvera (post #22)

You are the one demanding that one stands either 100% with Peikoff or 100% with Branden, than accuses someone who says that both Adam Reed and Michael Newberry have a point in being politically correct.
Whoa there, Nellie.

If I understand you correctly, I think you need to back up and read my posts again...

1) Branden's accounts of things explain a lot more to me about Rand than just about anything else... so, between Branden and Peikoff, I'll side with Branden, thank you very much.  You can side with anybody you like, or even join The Flat Earth Society.  I can't stop you.

2) I wasn't commenting about Adam Reed or Michael Newberry, when I referred to whoever was being "politically correct"... What I was referring to, was this notion that the truth can NEVER be known.  That's the selling-out point, because the truth about Rand CAN be known, and it's been presented quite clearly for some time now.  

Whoever said that the truth in this matter could "never be known" was being politically correct, in that they were trying to appeal to two arguing sides over this matter, by throwing out the quite healthy baby, with the bathwater, for the sake of expediency. 

(Edited by Danny Silvera on 2/10, 2:03pm)


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Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 1:48pmSanction this postReply
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Am I the only one to wonder what all this is about?

I read Barbara Branden and Nathaniel Branden's biographies and really didn't interpret them as being so "negative" or "vengeful". I actually quite enjoyed them both in that they gave me a richer understanding of the "person" that was Ayn Rand, that helped me greatly in my application of her philosophy.

I had just feasted upon Rand's fiction and non-fiction over a gluttonously brief period of months, and was filled with the giddy, beautiful, idealistic desire of becoming a Randian hero. The damning realisation that it was impossible for me to achieve such an ideal hit me at about the same time that I stumbled across these books, and I am extremely grateful that my discovery that EVEN Rand was imperfect came at the right time to enable me to integrate my new philosophy more easily into my life.


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Thursday, February 10 - 11:54amSanction this postReply
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Jennifer wrote:

I suppose Iannoloism is too much of a mouthful -- so many blasted vowels.  I'll have to think of something else.

Just call me Goddess and be done with it.
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How do you pronounce Iannolo, anyway?


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Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 1:58pmSanction this postReply
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EE-uh-NOH-loh.  Or, if you want to be really accurate, ya-NOH-loh.

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Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 2:06pmSanction this postReply
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If Jennifer gets to be "goddess", then I want to be that giant black devil thing with the enormous wings, from Walt Disney's Fantasia... He sat on the top of Bald Mountain and just waved his arms and made demons and fire belch out from all directions.  Tres cool.
 
I think his name was "Chernabog".  

Yes; that's it.  Call me Chernabog.  I like that.


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Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 2:25pmSanction this postReply
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Michelle, I really don't think the ridicule heaped on Objectivism is due solely, or even mainly, to the details presented by the Brandens in their accounts of The Affair. The tawdry details can always be disputed. But here, the devil isn't in the details.

I think public ridicule stems mainly from the very fact of the relationship (a fact now uncontested). And what was the nature of that relationship? It was an affair between a brilliant older woman and a young, immature acolyte twenty-five years her junior, occurring while both were married to other people --  an "open marriage" arrangement that was clearly very distressing and painful to the two abandoned spouses, who were intellectually and emotionally manipulated into accepting it, but whose pain and injury apparently didn't matter decisively to the two participants.

Those are the undeniable, bare-bones facts of the "arrangement." On its face, it's ludicrous and unseemly and very sad.
Any further details in this book might cast specific situations and actions in a different light, weighing more heavily against the Brandens than Rand. But nothing can negate the basic fact of this excruciatingly foolish and destructive "arrangement," and Rand's co-authorship of it with the young Nathaniel Branden.

I call the affair not only ludicrous and unseemly, but also "very sad," because I can imagine (and even sympathize with) the emotional needs that motivated it. But no amount of rationalistic "spin," no additional details about specific events, could conceivably justify it. If Rand and Branden had truly felt that way about each other, then the honorable thing for them to do -- on behalf of the spouses they still publicly professed to love -- would have been to separate from them and/or obtain divorces.

But to most outside observers -- and count me as one -- the affair was a case of two people wanting to have their marriages, and eat them, too. It was a case of their publicly faking reality, pretending to be devoutly married to others, but obtaining their true romantic fulfillment furtively with each other -- and damn the emotional consequences to their spouses. It involved living a hurtful lie.

There would have been much less subsequent damage to the public reputation of Objectivism, the philosophy, had its principals not cast themselves as its perfect ethical embodiments. But that damage is only compounded when -- in a desperate effort to rehabilitate Rand's public image -- her partisans now attempt to rationalize conduct that is simply unjustifiable on its face.

If the Objectivist ethics is now to be recast in order to rationalize excruciatingly bad judgment, the public "faking of reality" about one's highest romantic values, and a pattern of callous, emotionally destructive behavior toward one's own spouse -- then the reputation of Objectivism could be irreparably damaged. Millions will say: If that kind of conduct is an example of "rationality," if that squares with Objectivis -- then give me some form of religious mysticism!

Rand had John Galt say, "Nobody stays here by faking reality in any matter whatever." If some would add "reality faking" to Objectivism's list of acceptable virtues, merely in order to defend Rand's reputation, then they have lost any remaining credibility as defenders of her philosophy.

It's really "either/or": either Rand and Branden were acting in accordance with Objectivism, or they weren't. If they were, then Objectivism, the philosophy, is done for. If they weren't, then all that remains damaged is their own reputations. 

The Brandens have been willing to acknowledge publicly that their conduct was not consonant with Objectivism. Let us see whether Ayn Rand's partisans have the same courage -- and whether their first loyalty is to her, or to the principles she defined and espoused.


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