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Post 20

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 12:23pmSanction this postReply
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"Hey Phil, can you recount the details of the library of Alexandria? And the burning of it?"

Lance, trying valiantly to wrest this thread back from the nefarious clutches of the black hand of the black-bearded, saturnine, conspiracy-loving, black-souled evil Catholic Humorist Robertus Bidinottus . . .

I don't have a reference work handy, so this is from memory: The Great Library of Alexandria was created during the Hellenistic period, the last centuries B.C., in Egypt on the shores of the Mediterranean. This was a wealthy period of great trade and science. The successful goal was be the greatest library that had ever existed, to hold all of the world's knowledge, collect all of the books (well, scrolls) known to man.

I don't recall the details of the library's destruction. Probably centuries later, around 400 or 500 A.D.? As ancient civilization wound down into the Dark Ages, the following factors destroyed monuments and literature, art and institutions: (1) Christian mobs, (2) invading barbarians, (3) Lack of money and organization and will in the face of poverty, decline, and decay.

I recall it as having been burned, but by which of 1, 2, 3, you'd have to go to one of today's unburned libraries to find out.

Phil
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on 4/20, 12:26pm)


Post 21

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 12:27pmSanction this postReply
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Phil writes...

Lance, trying valiantly to wrest this thread back from nefarious clutches of the black hand of the black-bearded, saturnine, conspiracy-loving, black-souled hands of the evil Catholic Bidinotto .
Saturnine?  Who's "saturnine"???


Post 22

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 12:35pmSanction this postReply
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Well, you wouldn't want me to call you mercurial, venerable, earthy, jovial...or to label you a plutocrat and a martian would you?

Those would have been insults.

(Sorry I can't come up with anything plausible for the remaining planets. And NO that is not a challenge.)

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Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 12:38pmSanction this postReply
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Jovial? Who's "jovial"???

Post 24

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 12:40pmSanction this postReply
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Lame. You plucked that one out out Uranus.

Post 25

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 12:44pmSanction this postReply
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Keep this up and Linz is gonna moon us.

Post 26

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 12:47pmSanction this postReply
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Philip, I do believe you'll be at SOLOC4, at which even I'll thoroughly flog you if you and Robert keep this up.

Jason

P.S - And no, I am not flirting.  That would have only been flirting had I said it to Alec.


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Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 12:52pmSanction this postReply
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Let's see...what was this thread about? Oh, yes: It turns out that "some" Aristotle has been discovered and Oxford will be publishing a volume specifically on the philosophical discoveries.

!!!

(a cryptic email from an Oxford prof working on this I stumbled across...I don't have any further detail.)

Phil

Post 28

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 2:45pmSanction this postReply
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Philip,

Regarding your post 11: indeed, no proof was offered in the email; however, the person did say that they would try to find some online support for their position. My presumption (benefit of a doubt) was that they had some specialized knowledge but didn't have a handy web-based reference for it. As always, time will tell!

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Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 8:52pmSanction this postReply
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Um, I know Robert B was joking, but I can't be too sure the same is true of Robert M. You can never know with certain Objectivists and religion!

Malcolm, please don't tell me *you've* bought into the utterly fradulent crap...

Alec 


Post 30

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 10:32pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks Phil! I have read that we only have around 1/5 of Aristotle's stuff. Apparently he wrote dialogues in something like the form Plato wrote. Would like to get my hands on a few of those.

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Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 3:21pmSanction this postReply
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As a neptunian*, it's my pleasure to inform everyone that Oxyrhynchus Online has a new server.

What is not a pleasure, however, is that searching for "Aristotle" on their database produces no new 'Aristotle documents' results (so far, that is).

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2 documents matched the query.

P.Oxy.XXIV 2403
Aristotle, Categoriae
P.Oxy.XXIV 2402
Aristotle, Ethica Nicomachea vi
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You can view the papyri fragments of the two above. Hopefully, they'll recover some new Aristotle in the near future.




*I really am. No kidding.

Post 32

Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 5:08pmSanction this postReply
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Patience, neptunian num++, patience.

(Are you any relation to c++ or .net or #java or cheeseburger supersized?)

Post 33

Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 9:22pmSanction this postReply
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I'm related to num, by iteration. Don't tell the LaVeyans though; I don't like being worshipped.

Post 34

Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 6:10amSanction this postReply
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A bit of cold water on this "discovery," here.

Not that it isn't important, but that the press has overblown it considerably. Are you surprised?


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Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 10:16amSanction this postReply
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Robert,

Thanks for the update!

(But wait! Don’t you consider finding out that the actual number should be 636 (not 666) as a momentous finding!?)


Post 36

Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 10:28amSanction this postReply
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That "636" thing disturbed me most. I mean, is nothing sacred???

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Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 10:39amSanction this postReply
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Shit!

You mean I gotta redo all those tattoos?

(thunder and far off lightening...)

ahem... er... sorry, just joking...

Michael


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Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 1:24pmSanction this postReply
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(But wait! Don’t you consider finding out that the actual number should be 636 (not 666) as a momentous finding!?)


Goddammeeeeeeeeeettt!!!!!!!!!!!!

How in hell did I turn out to be num++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++???



This just wounds my fried.

Post 39

Sunday, May 1, 2005 - 8:33pmSanction this postReply
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I think Robert is mistaken that cold water is cast on the classical papyri news by the NY Sun article. I've just read the piece: It mentions that the papyri have long existed and were not just discovered and that the advance is technological. And that discoveries will dribble out slowly. (The only discouraging news.)

Robert, you weren't "skimming" the reading material were you? Bad Robert!!! Bad! I may have to excommunicate you or exile you to Pluto.... (Ah! Finally got a reference or pun in to -every- planet on this thread: I'm basking in the sun now.)

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