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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 10:14amSanction this postReply
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I swear, I was almost sick when I heard that. I heard it on Michelle Malkin's website and she sounded like she was about to grap her gun a head down to NYC right now. And I'm half tempted to join her. This is beyond a travesty, Ground Zero is the most sacred site in America and they want to descrate it with that liberal filth. FUCK NO!!! George Sors should be run down like a stray dog in the street for this.

I would say that rebuilding the towers is the greatest memorial we can give to the 9/11 victims. Saving that, just have something to commerate their memories should suffice; not having a liberal peek show about how America is evil and all that bullshit.

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 10:53amSanction this postReply
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Donald Trump is pushing to rebuild the towers, bigger and better

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/18/wtc.trump/

http://www.triroc.com/wtc/


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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 11:55amSanction this postReply
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Quoth Clarence Hardy:

"I heard it on Michelle Malkin's website and she sounded like she was about to grap her gun a head down to NYC right now."

Fat chance. Malkin was born in 1970, which means that she is just now getting close to exiting the military enlistment age bracket. If she was interested in actually putting her money where her mouth is in that way, she'd be carrying a rifle in Iraq or Afghanistan already instead of writing books about how cool it is to stick people behind barbed wire.

If the chickenhawks wanted to control what went on display at Ground Zero, they should have bought space there like Soros did. Of course, chickenhawks don't work that way. They expect everyone else to do their heavy lifting and pick up the check.

Tom Knapp

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 2:36pmSanction this postReply
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This is beyond a travesty, Ground Zero is the most sacred site in America and they want to descrate it with that liberal filth. FUCK NO!!!

You think it's "the most sacred site in America"? Because 3,000 human beings were murdered there by some crazed terrorists?

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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 12:16amSanction this postReply
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No, because what and who was there before and what it stood for. There was two of the largest man-made structures ever made dedicated to one of the noblest enterprises man can presue.

This wasn't some place where people could waste their time on a Sunday morning when they could be living for themselves. Those great structures were where men came to PRODUCE and their loss is a loss to all of us.

So yes Ground Zero is a sacred spot just like the Pentagon where men ran the military that protects this nation and just like that field in Penn where men died fighting against evil and for their lives.

Mr. Knapp, so any journalist who believes that what they're planning to do with the WTC site is wrong is a hypocrite for not going to NYC and physically stopping them? If that your def then most of the people here are hypocrites for not enlisting to fight in Iraq.

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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 12:33amSanction this postReply
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Clarence, I am fully in agreement with you. This is a travesty, and sickening. Robert Bidinotto, on his web site, lists people who are in a position to stop this horror and therefore should be contacted:

http:bidinotto.journalspace.com/

Barbara



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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 1:36amSanction this postReply
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Clarence,

You wrote:

"Mr. Knapp, so any journalist who believes that what they're planning to do with the WTC site is wrong is a hypocrite for not going to NYC and physically stopping them?"

No -- nor is it easy to derive any such meaning from what I wrote. You are the one who conjured up the image of Malkin, a 35-year-old chickenhawk cheerleader, taking up a gun and actually fighting for what she believes (instead of demanding that everyone else, except those whom she wants to stick in internment camps, do so on her behalf). I simply pointed out that that's unlikely.

As far as the towers are concerned, I have my own preference and would make such a financial contribution to it, or something like it, as I can afford if it were undertaken*. However, it seems that Soros and friends have already purchased the space ... and if they have, then whining is neither proper nor of any avail. So far as I know, nobody decreed in advance that, say, Michelle Malkin or the proprietors of Little Green Footballs, couldn't put together a consortium to bid on the space and do it up the way they want it done up.

Regards,
Tom Knapp

* I'd prefer to see the towers rebuilt in a manner nearly identical to the originals, except for one additional floor on the top of each, an extra elevator that goes only to that floor -- open to the public, of course -- and an additional public restroom on the first floor.

The top floors would have wide viewing windows from which visitors could gaze upon New York. The walls would be marbled, with the names of those who died in each tower etched into the marble of the room in that tower.

In the center of each room would be a marble monolith with an inscription something like the following:

On September 11th, 2001, evil men committed a wanton and evil act of destruction and murder on this site. We choose to remember them -- and their victims -- in the manner whereby they deserve to be remembered. This room is a memorial to the innocents who died here. These rebuilt towers are our declaration that we will never quail before evil, bow before death or submit to terror.

On the first floor, the new public restrooms would include urinals and stools with the names and photographs of the hijackers affixed in the manner best facilitating their own tribute; and a contractors would be hired to produce Quran-motif toilet paper and a pork-enzyme based drip cleaning solution which would be released with each flush to keep the images of Mohammed Atta and Co. all sparkly.

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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 2:25amSanction this postReply
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Thomas, I love it! If only,if only......

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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 6:35amSanction this postReply
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Tom, I love the ideas for the tower and the restrooms!

"So yes Ground Zero is a sacred spot just like the Pentagon where men ran the military that protects this nation and just like that field in Penn where men died fighting against evil and for their lives."

I hadn't thought about any of them as a sacred spot before. To me I'd have to say the Pennsylvania field best qualifies for the term. I don't consider victim equal to hero. At the other sites were many more deaths and destruction; they are certainly sites of great sadness where unknowing victims had their lives snuffed out. On flight 93, however, people had an extra piece of knowledge about reality. They made the conscious choice of action, they fought, and despite being unsuccesful in saving their own lives foiled another targetted strike and saved others. There be heroes.


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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 7:26amSanction this postReply
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I thought that Thomas Knapp and I agreed on absolutely nothing. But after reading his proposal (post #6) for how to rebuild the Twin Towers, I had to be rushed to the local emergency room and have my heart restarted -- because I not only agreed with his architectural vision, but enthusiastically so. With shaking hand, I even sent him some Atlas sanctions just moments ago.

My only suggested modifications for his inspired vision of the building's urinals and toilets are these:

First, I would add to these facilities the photos of George Soros and his hired leftist lackeys from the "International Freedom Center," to adorn the basins beside those bearing the photos of Mohammed Atta and his fellow killers.

Second, I would also route large-diameter, clear plastic sewer pipes from the bathrooms on all the floors, down through the basement offices of the Soros-funded Center, so that its anti-American staff had never-ending views of exactly what the rest of the building's visitors and occupants thought of them.


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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 8:04amSanction this postReply
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No, because what and who was there before and what it stood for. There was two of the largest man-made structures ever made dedicated to one of the noblest enterprises man can presue.


Well, I can't disagree there. Lost in almost everything since 9/11 has been proper respect to the 3,000 human beings' occupations in the Twin Towers: they were engaged in heroic commerce, uniting people internationally in the productive, peaceful endeavors of human creation and trade.

Even if no one had been in those buildings on 9/11, their destruction would have been a huge travesty for mankind. Of course, it's infinitely worse to destroy people along with property, and, yet, the significance of those towers, the wonderful and beautiful production and exchange they symbolized and enabled, should never be underestimated.

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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 8:13amSanction this postReply
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Thomas,

I agree with both you and Clarence. I always thought the towers should be rebuilt, bigger and better than before. And I love your memorial ideas. I would be pleased to help defray the cost of rebuilding them. It would be great if they could be rebuilt with no public money, completely through private contributions. I don't think it would be too difficult, but of course that would never be allowed to happen. There is too much political profit to be made by a "public", "politically correct" memorial. It's obvious that the new towers could be enormously profitable, especially given the cost of building them could in a large part be paid for by donations. But that's just "business". Can't let capitalism have such a big PR win.



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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 8:27amSanction this postReply
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I would also like to see the towers built just as they were before (Thomas, I LOVE the extra floor idea).  It would be the ultimate statement of defiance, and would most appropriately capture what is *supposed* to be the American perspective in this situation. 

Instead, the powers that be have taken the cowardly route.  (Of course, I would be interested to see who would rent the top floors of such a building, but I have a hunch the space would be rented rather quickly by those defiant souls.)

The current design is an abomination -- it is a gnarled, hideous display of metal that resembles the fragments remaining after a blitzkreig.  Why anyone would choose such a design to represent the glory of New York City is beyond me.  Should such an eyesore come to mar the skyline, I will be most disappointed.

I rarely agree with the thoughts of Mr. Trump, but in this case I have to echo him:

Put.  Them.  Back.


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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 8:34amSanction this postReply
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Mr Knapp,

Great suggestion for rebuilding the towers!

Ethan


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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 9:40amSanction this postReply
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They should also build them with asbestos this time around, so as to protect them against fire hazards. The asbestos-free Twin Towers came down faster than they would have with the proper, politically incorrect insulation.

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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 10:12amSanction this postReply
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Anthony,
I'm pretty sure your friends on the left won't let them use asbestos.


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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 10:18amSanction this postReply
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Quoth Anthony:

"They should also build them with asbestos this time around, so as to protect them against fire hazards. The asbestos-free Twin Towers came down faster than they would have with the proper, politically incorrect insulation."

I agree, some internal structural improvements are a good idea (not to mention an anti-aircraft missile installation either atop them or located so as to cover the approaches to them). However, I'd like to see them rebuilt as closely as possible in appearance as the originals, with a few tasteful added features to commemorate what happened there (I'm aware that some don't consider the restroom idea especially tasteful, but I do feel strongly that if the hijackers/murderers are memorialized at all, it must be in some extremely negative way).

I've seen the site twice.

The first time was when I was returning to the US from the first Gulf War. Our pilot got permission from ground control to fly the 747 I was in past the Statue of Liberty and the World Trade Center before landing at JFK. A moving experience, to say the least -- that was all I saw of New York, as we were kept in an empty terminal until boarding our next plane.

The second time was in 2003, just after the Iraq war started, when I was in New York to speak against it at the Junto (sort of -- their actual procedure is more like an intense running interrogation than a "speech," and I enjoyed it very much). During the day before the event, Manhattan LP chair Jim Lesczynski and Dr. Chris Matthew Sciabarra graciously showed me as much of New York as it's possible to see in one day (not very much of it, of course, but we packed a lot of great stuff in). I visited Ground Zero and Battery Park. Come to think of it, if given the opportunity I might move Koenig's "The Sphere" -- created as a "tribute to world peace" -- back to its original spot at the WTC site, in its current damaged condition -- and then once Osama bin Laden has been killed, cremated, and his ashes mixed with pork offal and buried beneath it, restore it.

Tom Knapp
(Edited by Thomas L. Knapp
on 6/09, 10:19am)


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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 10:43amSanction this postReply
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Quoth Robert Bidinotto:

"I thought that Thomas Knapp and I agreed on absolutely nothing."

Hmmm ... not quite absolutely nothing:

The article at http://bidinotto.journalspace.com/?entryid=5

... positively refers to the article at:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34181

... which in turn, briefly quotes me (although Ms. Mercer mis-identified me as an "anarcho-capitalist") ... and I flatter myself that you might find the article at:

http://www.rationalreview.com/tlknapp/022104.shtml

... at least a little worthwhile in that same vein (I need to write "part two" one of these days -- a presidential campaign intervened and I just forgot to get back to it).

I hope, however, that you've invested in a home cardio paddle kit.

Regards,
Tom Knapp

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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 11:11amSanction this postReply
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Mr Knapp, I've met Mrs. Malkin at a speech she gave before, trust me, she absolutly believes in what she says. I do agree compleatly on rebuilding the towers, make 'em an even 2000 ft.

As for Soros, he would only get his paws on it if they build that goddamn "World Trade Center Memorial Cultural Complex". He doesn't own shit now.

Read this aricle here from Malkin, it explains most of it.

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/002667
(Edited by Clarence Hardy
on 6/09, 11:12am)


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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 12:19pmSanction this postReply
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Clarence,

Here's my reply to Malkin:

http://knappster.blogspot.com/2005/06/michell-malkin-commie.html

Regards,
Tom Knapp

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