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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 11:35amSanction this postReply
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"Some have called our project a consciousness raising movement, a noble cause, while others have simply said, “It is a monument that must be built, and built now!” "

And Still, others have called it a crock of shit...

The idea behind this is similar to Spiderman's creed "with great power comes great responsibility." Responsibility to who? Blank out. Responsibility for what? Blank out. When, where, why, how? Blank out.



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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 1:55pmSanction this postReply
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Yuck!
(Edited by Bob Palin on 10/02, 2:02pm)


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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 1:44pmSanction this postReply
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In the late 60ths on the 4th of July I heard Bishop Fulton J. Sheen propose this obscene idea.  I thought it was orginal with him.  I thought it had died a deserved death.  We are never so lucky.

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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 2:27pmSanction this postReply
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I just love that little bit Stan Lee tacked onto a good story.

---Landon


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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 2:34pmSanction this postReply
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When I first heard of this concept, I thought it meant self responsibility.  Now I learn otherwise.  How disappointing.

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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 5:07pmSanction this postReply
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There's nothing wrong with people helping people. Kind of warms my heart, actually. But they'll use this as a club over us. They'll implement it through violence at the point of a gun.

I worked about 10 hours at the Astrodome the day the refugees started coming in from New Orleans. People were helping each other, left and right. Donations of food and clothing were coming in. And people were taking charge of these donations, and administering assistance to these people. It was a really touching and moving experience for everyone. It certainly warmed my heart.

But the left wants to automate this process, and dehumanize it. My heart turned south when I saw them give $2000 in cash to each of these people, from my tax money, against any choice I had in the matter. There's a big difference in charity from the kind that's 'given', to the kind that's 'taken'.

This Statue of Responsibility doesn't represent charity. It represents the worst in us: the theft from some for the taking by others. And that's the problem with it.

Sincerely,

Craig Haynie (Houston)

(Edited by SnowDog on 10/02, 5:34pm)


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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 6:57pmSanction this postReply
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SnowDog:

There's a big difference in charity from the kind that's 'given', to the kind that's 'taken'.

Amen

Their statue should be that of Atlas with the burden of the world on his shoulder.

Sam



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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 7:36pmSanction this postReply
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Would anyone cry if it became a terrorist target? (The terrorists would probably like that one, though.)

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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 7:37pmSanction this postReply
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What in Lucifer's name is that statue supposed to represent? Two hands linked together? Why not put up a huge statue of Justice instead?

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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 7:43pmSanction this postReply
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Would anyone cry if it became a terrorist target? (The terrorists would probably like that one, though.)

Ain't that the tragedy of it?

---Landon


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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 7:46pmSanction this postReply
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Joe Maurone:

" Would anyone cry if it became a terrorist target? (The terrorists would probably like that one, though.)"

I'd be tempted to dynamite the demon-ridden thing myself.

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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 10:30pmSanction this postReply
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I'd call it the "Statue of Contradiction."

The responsibility these thugs refer to would rob us of liberty. Consider the enormous amount of tax money stolen from us by Uncle Sam to finance foreign aid and social programs. I'll stop here before I start foaming at the mouth.


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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 11:28pmSanction this postReply
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     Properly, it should be called "The Monument to Social Feel-Goodism" (with a sub-captioned plaque adding "...for all La-La-Wood's celebrities, and their socially-lesser Politically-Correct MTV concerts-for-charity watchers")

LLAP (except 'them')
J-D


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Monday, October 3, 2005 - 3:02amSanction this postReply
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OT: Uah, you are forced to use a Microsoft Product, here.. That's bad luck ;)

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"With great power comes great responsibility", but he has a point there (however weired it is portrayed in the movies), for when you are strong you have to think about what you are doing with your strength. If you go around bullying people, you are abusing your powers and you haven't passed the moral test to use those powers (and most likely, they will be taken from you with your freedom).

So, there is responsibilty coming with your powers, but the responsibilty is only to yourself and not to a collective, like a city, other people or a nation.

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Monday, October 3, 2005 - 7:25amSanction this postReply
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When a child attains majority he leaves his parent's house and gains freedom — but the responsibility that goes with it is for himself.

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Monday, October 3, 2005 - 9:24amSanction this postReply
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How about this: "With great weakness comes greater responsibility."

Max wrote:

"With great power comes great responsibility", but he has a point there (however weired it is portrayed in the movies), for when you are strong you have to think about what you are doing with your strength. If you go around bullying people, you are abusing your powers and you haven't passed the moral test to use those powers (and most likely, they will be taken from you with your freedom)...So, there is responsibilty coming with your powers, but the responsibilty is only to yourself and not to a collective, like a city, other people or a nation."

Anyone who believes "with great power comes great responsibility" in regards to the powerful is looking to control that person's power. It is not abuse they are worried about as much as it is harnessing that power to their own ends.



In the comics, that distinction has been lost (hell, even in the second movie, you can see it happening). Peter Parker has to forego a social life, his girlfriend, put his family and friends at risk, suffers in his studies and career, because of his "responsibility" to the greater good. Every time he tries to focus on HIS life and needs, he is punished by fate (usually in the form of someone wearing green and purple, take your pic). It's all about guilt and atoning for his uncle's death. It's his responsibility to save the world.

As a tragedy, this is appropriate. As an uplifting hero story, it's socialism, plain and simple.

What if Spiderman DID quit, or, worse, got offed by a villain?
Who would take care of New York? Who would save the day? There is a police force for that, if 9/11 shows up in time. Otherwise, the people need to stand up for themselves. In the old west, you didn't have superheroes, the colonial Americans didn't have superheroes, they had self-defense and self-reliance. Notice that Superheroes didn't take off in this country until AFTER the Great Depression, social security, and the New Deal. Americans were told they were not independent but victims, and needed to be taken care of. (Setting the stage for SHAM...). So we get a strange visitor from another planet...is it a bird, is it a plane, is it Jesus? No, it's Superman, or Mighty Mouse, or Captain America! (Ok, Cap was cool, cause he was one of us, just enhanced, and fought for freedom...). But the others, with exceptions, were NOT us, not merely us at our potential, but BEYOND us, because we were too weak to save ourselves.

That's why the "Allies" didn't have or need superheroes, they had Americans to save the day. Who would America turn to?. And what if a great power DID abuse such power and turn to bullying? That's why one can't rely on superhero outsiders. What if America did NOT get into WWII? Not abusing its power, it simply did not get involved. Do they still have a responsibility to France, or any other nation (or individuals) who appeased Hitler? The opposite is true: With great weakness comes great responsibility, because the weak have to work HARDER to protect that self.



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Monday, October 3, 2005 - 6:47pmSanction this postReply
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"But the others, with exceptions were NOT us, not merely us at our potential, but BEYOND us, because we were too weak to save ourselves."

VERY nice, I completely agree. I choose Batman over Superman any day. A spaceman who walks on water? No. A real hero uses merely (merely-HA!) his brains and his body.


VERY intelligent analysis of history, thank you.

"The opposite is true: With great weakness comes great responsibility, because the weak have to work HARDER to protect that self."

VERY impressively interesting... Yes, I think this is true. I know that from my own experience. But hard work brings sure rewards...

THANK you, for that analysis! I always like to come back to SOLO when I have the time. You people are freaking geniuses.

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Monday, October 3, 2005 - 8:47pmSanction this postReply
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It's things like this (the Statue of Resp^H^H^H^HSlavery) that convince me that, by and large, the human race as it stands now isn't worth saving.

Seriously.

Imagine you're living in a flat (apartment, for non-NZers among us), and your flatmates are all criminals. Worse, they're sociopaths who don't think there's anything wrong with taking your property, controlling your life, and telling you it's all for your own good.

Would you bother reasoning with such people, or would you kick their arses, take your stuff back, and find another flat?

Then imagine that they represent (with a few exceptions, most of whom voted Libertarianz at the last election) the *best* of society - the rest are simply non-thinking moochers who rely on the violence encouraged & largely performed by the first bunch in order to survive.

Then imagine that the country in which you're living is one of the best in the world - the majority of the people in the world are stuck in medieval pest-holes devoid of liberty and individualism, and thus they're poor, ignorant and short-lived.

Sometimes I wonder if all the energy Libertarians around the world spend wouldn't be better directed towards setting up a very well armed 'gulch'. Our statue could be a gigantic, outstretched middle finger.

>:-(

Edit: Time to go and listen to some Iron Maiden and look at photos of Frank Lloyd Wright's buildings. That usually puts this kind of mood right.
(Edited by Duncan Bayne
on 10/03, 8:51pm)


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Monday, October 3, 2005 - 9:19pmSanction this postReply
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Maybe the statue would make more sense if they changed the name to "The Statue of the Crab Bucket."

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Tuesday, October 4, 2005 - 6:59amSanction this postReply
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Or "the hanger-ons" ?


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