|Hey Joe. Where you goin' with that gun in your hand?|
| This argument's been played out to death|
Yeah? Well it's a first for me so your advantage should make short work of this. Just give me what I want by saying a few words about the suffering you're accepting in return for keeping your values. Should be easy for you to do that by now, no?
| I am a realist, Rick. I know that wars bring hardship. So do hurricanes. But your equating the two is nothing but emotional manipulation unrelated to the context of the causes of war and natural disasters.|
Not at all because that's one of the things that happens in wars. When the rule of law breaks down you get Superdome. Iranians are ever so much lesser a species than the noble Americans so just imagine the rape and pillage, the magnitude of chaos, you unfurl by deposing their rule of law. You should think about it.
Here's another thing you should think about...
"Albert expresses it: 'The war has ruined us for everything.'
He is right. We are not youth any longer. We don't want to take the world by storm. We are fleeing. We fly from ourselves. From our life. We were eighteen and had begun to love life and the world; and we had to shoot it to pieces. The first bomb, the first explosion, burst in our hearts. We are cut off from activity, from striving, from progress. We believe in such things no longer, we believe in the war.""
- All Quiet on the Western Front
| Joe just brought a question of Rick's to my attention, and though it was not addressed to me, I would like to answer it as well. |
Not at all, it's addressed to everyone willing for war. Knock yourself out....
| Your question is one that runs in both directions Rick, and given the declaration of war that the Islamo-terrorists have already made, then it's enlightening to see|
WHICH women and children you would sacrifice in order to appease a gang of thugs in the hopes that your cowering would garner their forgiveness. Joe hit the nail on the head by naming this argument emotional manipulation.
It is, yes. I'm all about emotional manipulation. But I'm not about sacrifice nor cowering nor placating thugs- these parts you made up out of thin air.
I'm not even venturing an opinion actually, only taking pot shots at those who have via emotional manipulation. You guys who so quickly and easily demand swift and decisive military action, I'm calling you out. Have you earned the right to ask for it? Do you know what it is you're saying? War is hell! Hell hell hell!
Don't get me wrong. I love the man that can perceive of the crushing weight of all this woe and not be crushed, and bear it and say 'so be it'. He has to be a superman who knows what pain and grief he is bringing and he has to have high values indeed that they are worthy of such costly protection. This guy is a hero but when others mouth off about going to war who've never known the sentiment of All Quiet on the Western Front they're not heros they're pretenders.
So I wanna know this from you if you're asking for a war. Do you know, do you feel, what it is you're asking for? If so I think that before you did you'd resort to the nightmare only after exhausting every diplomatic possibility and forlorn hope reason can allow. And if you did feel these things you'd be more understanding of those groping for new solutions, and you'd be far less eager to brush off those who think they might have found some.