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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 5:23amSanction this postReply
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Voluntary extinction to save the planet?  Save it for whom? 

Someone ought to introduce Mr. Knight to the basic tenets of Objectivism.  Or, if Mr. Knight really wants to do something altruistic, perhaps he should make himself 'extinct' and save the rest of us from his brand of lunacy.  The only good thing I can say about him is that he won't procreate.

Spending as much time as I have here at Solo, I'd nearly forgotten just how many irrational, immoral and just plain crazy people there are in this world.  Reading this article was a somewhat less than gentle nudge back toward reality.


From the article:

In many ways, the idea of reducing the world's population is as much about human quality of life as it is about the health of the planet.
This from the head of an organization whose slogan is "May we live long and die out".  Something about contradictions and premise checking comes to mind.



SmS

(Edited by Summer Serravillo on 11/17, 5:37am)


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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 5:35amSanction this postReply
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Nice find. Knight's goal and motives are silly, but at least:

- he's realistic about their chances of success
- all the descriptions given were about persuading other people instead of using government to force them
- he practices what he preaches by getting snipped

So as fringe environmentalist/conservationist related movements go, the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement sounds like one of the least-objectionable I've seen.


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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 5:39amSanction this postReply
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...the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement sounds like one of the least-objectionable I've seen.

True, but the least of all evils is still evil.


SmS


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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 5:51amSanction this postReply
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Let's face it, there are many out there who still hold to the Dark Ages viewing of humanity - rotten to the core, and not really part of the rest of creation, a 'tack-on' which louses the otherwise nice system...

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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 6:16amSanction this postReply
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Let's face it, there are many out there who still hold to the Dark Ages viewing of humanity - rotten to the core, and not really part of the rest of creation, a 'tack-on' which louses the otherwise nice system...

The 'tack-on' calling the "tack-on's" superfluous?

;o)


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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 7:52amSanction this postReply
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"We can't be breeding right now,"

Evidently Mr. Knight isn't getting any. I think this nut case is one step away from getting out his sniper rifle.


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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 8:07amSanction this postReply
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Evidently Mr. Knight isn't getting any. I think this nut case is one step away from getting out his sniper rifle.



Have you perused his website?  I would be comical if it wasn't so disturbing.

SmS


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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 11:14amSanction this postReply
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Yes, Summer - but they want to be the ones who turn the lights out after everyone else has left the  room...

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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 11:37amSanction this postReply
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Robert,

That reminds me of something I heard Carl Sagan say once during an interview.  Can't quote it verbatim, as it was many years ago, but the gist was that the population needed to be severely thinned, and that only a select few should survive.   Gotta love these liberal, envirowacko elitists.

Edit:  Or maybe it was Issac Asimov...  I know they were both in love with the idea of exterminating mankind.

Summer

(Edited by Summer Serravillo on 11/17, 11:45am)


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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 11:51amSanction this postReply
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So "only a select few should survive," eh?  Where have I heard that sort of language?  Mein Kampf, perhaps?

I love it when self-anointed visionaries seek to make themselves into judges, juries and executioners for all humanity.


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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 1:05pmSanction this postReply
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Luke: "I love it when self-anointed visionaries seek to make themselves into judges, juries and executioners for all humanity."
Reminds me of Genesis's "The Knife":

"Some of you are going to die/
Martyrs, of course, to the freedom that I shall provide."


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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 2:00pmSanction this postReply
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As I get older, I find I'm developing a contempt for our culture I wouldn't have, if I had biological children. I suspect the liberal contempt for society is a result of their own envy and impotents to make the world a better place by their evasions, extortion, frauds and brute force.

ROTFLMAO:
http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/snuffit.html

From the illustrious Ray Keller of misc.survivalism:


Frightening Quotes from Environmentalists
(Attack Of The Socialist-Luddites)
The right to have children should be a marketable commodity, bought and
traded by individuals but absolutely limited by the state.

-Kenneth Boulding, originator of the "Spaceship Earth"
concept (as quoted by William Tucker in Progress and Privilege, 1982)

We have wished, we ecofreaks, for a disaster or for a social change to come
and bomb us into Stone Age, where we might live like Indians in our valley,
with our localism, our appropriate technology, our gardens, our homemade
religion-guilt-free at last!

-Stewart Brand (writing in the Whole Earth Catalogue).

Free Enterprise really means rich people get richer. They have the freedom
to exploit and psychologically rape their fellow human beings in the
process.. Capitalism is destroying the earth.

-Helen Caldicott, Union of Concerned Scientists

We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists and
their projects.. We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt dam
construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to
wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres of presently settled land.

-David Foreman, Earth First!

Everything we have developed over the last 100 years should be destroyed.

-Pentti Linkola

If you ask me, it'd be a little short of disastrous for us to discover a
source of clean, cheap, abundant energy because of what we would do with it.
We ought to be looking for energy sources that are adequate for our needs,
but that won't give us the excesses of concentrated energy with which we
could do mischief to the earth or to each other.

-Amory Lovins in The Mother Earth-Plowboy Interview, Nov/Dec 1977, p.22

The only real good technology is no technology at all. Technology is
taxation without representation, imposed by our elitist species (man) upon
the rest of the natural world.

-John Shuttleworth

What we've got to do in energy conservation is try to ride the global
warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, to have
approached global warming as if it is real means energy conservation, so we
will be doing the right thing anyway in terms of economic policy and
environmental policy.

-Timothy Wirth, former U.S. Senator (D-Colorado)

I suspect that eradicating smallpox was wrong. It played an important part
in balancing ecosystems.

-John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs.

-John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good
thing....This is not to say that the rise of human civilization is
insignificant, but there is no way of showing that it will be much help to
the world in the long run.

-Economist editorial

We advocate biodiversity for biodiversity's sake. It may take our extinction
to set things straight.

-David Foreman, Earth First!

Phasing out the human race will solve every problem on earth, social and
environmental.

-Dave Forman, Founder of Earth First!

If radical environmentalists were to invent a disease to bring human
populations back to sanity, it would probably be something like AIDS

-Earth First! Newsletter

Human happiness, and certainly human fecundity, is not as important as a
wild and healthy planets.Some of us can only hope for the right virus to
come along.

-David Graber, biologist, National Park Service

The collective needs of non-human species must take precedence over the
needs and desires of humans.

-Dr. Reed F. Noss, The Wildlands Project

If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer
virus to lower human population levels.

-Prince Phillip, World Wildlife Fund

Cannibalism is a "radical but realistic solution to the problem of
overpopulation."

-Lyall Watson, The Financial Times, 15 July 1995

Poverty For "Those People"

We, in the green movement, aspire to a cultural model in which killing a
forest will be considered more contemptible and more criminal than the sale
of 6-year-old children to Asian brothels.

-Carl Amery

Every time you turn on an electric light, you are making another brainless
baby.

-Helen Caldicott, Union of Concerned Scientists

To feed a starving child is to exacerbate the world population problem.

-Lamont Cole

If there is going to be electricity, I would like it to be decentralized,
small, solar-powered.

-Gar Smith, editor of the Earth Island Institute's online magazine The Edge

The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United
States: We can't let other countries have the same number of cars, the
amount of industrialization, we have in the U.S. We have to stop these Third
World countries right where they are. And it is important to the rest of the
world to make sure that they don't suffer economically by virtue of our
stopping them.

-Michael Oppenheimer, Environmental Defense Fund

The continued rapid cooling of the earth since WWII is in accord with the
increase in global air pollution associated with industrialization,
mechanization, urbanization and exploding population.

-Reid Bryson, "Global Ecology; Readings towards a rational strategy for Man"
, (1971)

The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s, the world will undergo
famines. Hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death in
spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. Population control is the
only answer.

-Paul Ehrlich, in The Population Bomb (1968)

I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000.

-Paul Ehrlich in (1969)

In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large
areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead
fish.

-Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day (1970)

Before 1985, mankind will enter a genuine age of scarcity.in which the
accessible supplies of many key minerals will be facing depletion.

-Paul Ehrlich in (1976)

This [cooling] trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of
the century.

-Peter Gwynne, Newsweek 1976

There are ominous signs that the earth's weather patterns have begun to
change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in
food production-with serious political implications for just about every
nation on earth. The drop in food production could begin quite soon. The
evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so
massively that meteorologist are hard-pressed to keep up with it.

-Newsweek, April 28, (1975)

This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it
continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world
chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000.

-Lowell Ponte in "The Cooling", 1976

If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for
the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year
2000. . This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age.

-Kenneth E.F. Watt on air pollution and global cooling, Earth Day (1970)


Scott

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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 2:06pmSanction this postReply
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Nice list of quotes Scott. Those are the kind of people that make me think of this VHEMT guy as just a harmless kook by comparison.


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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 3:05pmSanction this postReply
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Those people make Al Qaeda and the NAZI Party look harmless.

- Jason


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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 3:38pmSanction this postReply
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Yep, great list of quotes, Scott. Ehrlich's would be funny if they weren't so indicative of the irrational & hateful enviro-nazi mentality.

Perhaps apropos, it's often said that the opponents of genetic modification are those most desperately in need of it :-)

Ross



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Friday, November 18, 2005 - 3:20amSanction this postReply
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Love the quotes, Scott, thanks.

I particularly love these...

We advocate biodiversity for biodiversity's sake. It may take our extinction
to set things straight.

-David Foreman, Earth First!

Phasing out the human race will solve every problem on earth, social and
environmental.


 
-David Foreman, Earth First!

Forgive my language, but geez, what a dipshit this Foreman character is!   Extinction for the sake of biodiversity?  Extinction to solve social problems?   Dipshit, dipshit, dipshit!!

Summer

Post Scriptum:  I've now filled my foul language quota through year's end, so I may not be able to post on anything but the SOLO Food board intil 2006.

;o)


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Friday, November 18, 2005 - 3:23amSanction this postReply
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"I've now filled my foul language quota through year's end"

Quota? There's a quota?

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Friday, November 18, 2005 - 3:31amSanction this postReply
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Quota? There's a quota?


For me, there's a quota.  When I use foul language, it's usually inaudible to anyone else and/or in a language other than English.

Why?  I haven't a frikkin' clue.

SmS
 
P.S.  Does frikkin' count as foul language?

;o)



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Friday, November 18, 2005 - 3:49amSanction this postReply
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"P.S. Does frikkin' count as foul language?"

No, and I don't think your admirably accurate "dipshit, dipshit, dipshit" counts either.

Now, ME, on the other hand, I probably should have an automatic fifteen minute moderation built in so I can cool down and edit before some things I've written get posted.

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Friday, November 18, 2005 - 5:01amSanction this postReply
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I would like to invite Mr. Foreman to set an example for us by extinguishing himself first.

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