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Friday, January 13, 2006 - 4:02pmSanction this postReply
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Fred,

Why didn't Cooper find much Aristotle in Rand?




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Friday, January 13, 2006 - 6:58pmSanction this postReply
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Neil,

Don't know because he only spoke very briefly after the four had finished. But perhaps the problem he was having, if it was a problem, can be gleaned from a line in Gotthelf's speech. He wrote, "...it isn't clear that Aristotle even has a theory of concepts, or, for that matter, even a technical term that one could reasonable translate as 'concept'" I think Cooper was saying that given what he had heard that day about Rand's thought and given what he knows about Aristotle, they don't have much in common. Maybe we read what we want back into Aristotle. I'm just not sure. Too bad Cooper won't be publishing more on this topic. Perhaps he was focusing on the fact that, as Rand puts it, for her essences are epistemological while for Aristotle they're metaphysical so that in a sense they are not even in the same league, let alone in the same ballpark.

Fred



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Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 8:42amSanction this postReply
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All philosophers fall into1 of 2 camps Aristotlean or Platonic; meaning that on the most basic level the philosopher believes we perceive reality or only a poor imiation of it.  I am surprised at Cooper. 



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Monday, January 16, 2006 - 10:53pmSanction this postReply
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Robert,

If you're in the mood the check your premise about "All philosophers fall into1 of 2 camps Aristotlean or Platonic" you might check out Hans-Georg Gadamer's THE IDEA OF THE GOOD IN PLATONIC-ARISTOTELIAN where he claims that Aristotle and Plato are pretty much on the same page.

I personally find that dichotomy useless. I agree with Jacob Klien that Aristotle is working out the Socratic-Platonic problematic. I find late works of Plato, esp. the PARMENIDES and the PHILEBUS to have Aristotle's footprints all over them. For a book length treatment of this topic see Kenneth Sayers' PLATO'S LATE ONTOLOGY.

Our two boys also shared the same opponents; for example, the Sophists and the Atomists just to name two. Lennox once said to me in private conversation that there is no way Plato and Aristotle are as divergent as some say. He thought that Aristotle's 20 years with Plato makes that position untenable.

On the other hand, Peikoff certainly agrees with you. Both in his Ph. D. disseration and in OPAR. His case rests on the proposition "Plato is the first thinker to systematize other-worldliness." (OPAR 453) My detailed answer to this can be found in my book AYN RAND, OBJECTIVISTS, AND THE HISTORY OF PHILOSOPHY pp. 21-33.

Fred





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