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Friday, January 19, 2007 - 1:12pmSanction this postReply
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Merlin,
Like the posted quote says: "You are what you eat, drink, breathe, think, say and do."


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Friday, January 19, 2007 - 1:35pmSanction this postReply
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As to the question of how it began - presume the beans were done up first, without the prior knowledge of how the beans were first on the ground - THEN someone noticed the after-the-fact of the civet's marinating.....  since no bad effect had been, ergo - continue, and market at the high price... I suspect this COULD be done in a farm set-up [en masse], and not just with civets..

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Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 8:21amSanction this postReply
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I have had the Philippine version (see http://www.arengga.com/Coffee%20article.htm ) which was very good coffee, in my opinion, but not good enough to justify the price. Frankly, some of the things I ate in Japan were much more challenging psychologically.

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Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 11:04amSanction this postReply
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Guys, I am a coffee lover and I bought some - it was $120 a pound but I bought 1/4 pound for $30 and split it with someone, so for $15 I got a few cups to try.  The coffee was very, very good.  I don't know if it was worth that much but I would consider having it again.


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Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 11:57amSanction this postReply
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Kurt, I guess that makes you a cat's meow. :-)

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Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 1:35pmSanction this postReply
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I love coffee too, but have a hard time justifying [other than its rarity] Blue Mountain coffee - this seem way out into truffle bounds......

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Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 3:15pmSanction this postReply
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They're just letting an expert nose pick the beans. The passage through the animal probably has little to do with it. I wouldn't mind trying them.

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Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 3:22pmSanction this postReply
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Mike E. wrote:
They're just letting an expert nose pick the beans.
What expert? From the article: "During the night, the civet uses its eyesight and smell to seek out and eat only the ripest coffee cherries."


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Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 3:53pmSanction this postReply
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"What expert?"

The civet of course. I can't think of a more objective way of selecting beans than the nose of a creature that consumes the beans for a living (and is also a picky eater).

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Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 9:29pmSanction this postReply
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The civet is not a cat, but is a member of the Mongoose family, and is as close to cats as hyaenas. It has scent glands which are used in the production of perfume.

As for the processing of coffee beans by its digestive tract; wine, beer, cheese, yogurt and such are all digested by microbes before we eat them. Does anyone know where silk and milk come from? The human body has about 10 times more bacterial cells such as E. coli living in its gut than there are human cells in the human body. That's right folks, you thought you were an end in yourself? You are really a means by which microbial colonies maintain and spread themselves.

Many plant seeds will never germinate unless they pass through the gut of an animal. Many species of plant are slowly going extinct as the Moas and Dodos and other macrofauna that ate their seeds have disappeared. Straggling adult survivors and rotting seeds are found, throughout the tropics, but no saplings or germinated seeds.

Horse manure smells very nice, although I've never eaten it. And anyone who's had a litter of puppies knows where puppyshit goes.

Bon Apetit!



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Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 11:22amSanction this postReply
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I like puns.  I try to come up with them, but I'm not that good at it.  My wife, on the other hand, is a 'natural'.  She puns unconsciously.  This morning I was telling her about the coffee being discussed in this thread; cat poop coffee.  When I was finished she said: "Well, it does give you pause."  When I stopped laughing, I had to explain it to her.

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Friday, August 22, 2008 - 9:09amSanction this postReply
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The link to the referenced article no longer works, but I found a copy of it.

From the Chicago Tribune, by John Kass

"Coffee that's good to the last dropping"

Published January 18, 2007

In the post-apocalyptic nightmare to come, I hope somebody saves a copy of this column, to put the blame for the fall of the West right where it belongs: on America's gourmet coffee fetish, which has led to $10 cups of coffee made from cat poop."It doesn't taste like what you think it tastes like," Brian Munro, manager and apprentice roast master at Coffee and Tea Unlimited in Minneapolis, said on Wednesday. "And it doesn't smell. You smell the roasted beans. It's a very rich cup of coffee. Using a coffee term, it's got a full body."Yes, indeed, Mr. Brew Master."It's roast master, not brew master," he corrected. "I'm apprentice to the roast master."They are not cats, exactly, they're civets, which is worse. A civet is a 10-pound cat with soft, pudgy hands. They creep through Indonesian and Ethiopian coffee fields at night, eating the fruit, swallowing the beans, as hapless peasants trudge behind them, gingerly collecting the undigested beans, perhaps singing a folk song or two about stupid North Americans, and ship them here, where it sells for $420 a pound.The delicacy is formally called Kopi Luwak coffee, and only about 500 pounds are made each year. Munro insists that it smells like coffee, not anything else, but read his words and see why the world's terrorists want to blow us to hell.They're agitated enough about our ways, what with blue jeans and Coke and blond women who vote. They may be laughing in some Indonesian cave after a day of lashing the peasants, using cash from American cat-poop coffee addicts to subsidize lavish lifestyles, replete with single malt whiskey and dancing girls, until they kill us in the name of God.According to research done at the University of Guelph, the microstructural properties of the beans are altered by the civets. Massimo Marcone, an assistant professor, was quoted in a 2004 report as saying: "During the night, the civet uses its eyesight and smell to seek out and eat only the ripest coffee cherries. The coffee cherry fruit is completely digested, but the beans are excreted."Which apparently makes for a good cup of joe."It's not very sharp," Apprentice Roast Master Munro told us. "It's not something you are going to taste and go, `Oh, that's bitter.' It's fairly smooth in that aspect. It has sort of what they call a chocolaty or caramelly taste. And it's fairly pungent. You know it hits your nose pretty quick."The question remains: What possessed mankind to ever invent such a thing? The atomic bomb, I can handle. And people who talk about "American Idol" and believe what they read on Wikipedia. But cat-poop coffee is a different beast."There are a number of different theories about who came up with the idea," Apprentice Roast Master Munro said. "My guess is, somebody probably discovered the coffee beans on the ground in a pile of civet waste, and they tried to figure out what it was. I don't know how exactly it came into fruition, but somehow it was developed."That's the thing. How long did they stand there, staring at civet dung, trying to figure it out, while hating America in so many countless ways? And who brought it to fruition? Will they ever get the credit? Not likely, I say.We asked Munro: Do your customers' eyes flutter up and down in ecstasy when they drink the special coffee?"Usually, yeah," he said. "It's a delicacy. And to make this affordable to the public, in the way we have done it, I mean, it's exciting. It's a big thing."It is a big thing, if you do the math. Somebody will make a fortune, and why shouldn't it be me? I didn't even make a dime on my own invention--Kass' Beer Can Chicken--and the Tribune gave the recipe away for free in my column. I'm still bitter to this day.So I called the Lincoln Park Zoo, hoping to persuade it to kick out some boring animals like tigers and lions and open The Civet Coffee House. About 450 civets would do it. We could require that every Chicago politician pick through the leavings with rubber gloves, to make up for all their graft, and submit to full-body searches so they won't steal any beans. I'd gladly accept 10 percent off the top as my consultant fee.Unfortunately, a spokesperson for the zoo said it had no civets, as yet, and if it does get some, it might go into the coffee business itself.At a Starbucks, a few patrons said they might try the special coffee, but what do you expect from people who spend four bucks a cup? At the Billy Goat Tavern, where I get my coffee, it costs 55 cents, and Spiros and Nonda, the grill men, were so appalled about Kopi Luwak that they cursed in Greek and made hand gestures mocking the foolishness of man."It's safe to consume," Munro said. "Plus, it is in the roaster for 15 minutes, at 400-something degrees, so any bacteria in there is pretty much destroyed. It's an 8-ounce cup."For $10.This is the way the world ends. This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang, but with a bean."  END

In 2007's The Bucket List, starring Jack Nicholson and Morgan Freeman, Kopi Luwak is the beverage of choice of Nicholson's character, who repeatedly praises it as the best cup of coffee in the world. In a climactic and humorous moment near the end of the film, Freeman's character finally reveals what he has always known regarding the source of the fine coffee, to the dismay of Nicholson's character. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_Luwak

(Edited by Merlin Jetton on 8/22, 9:10am)


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Friday, August 22, 2008 - 1:48pmSanction this postReply
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Lately I think it may just be a clever marketing ploy.  Some of the best coffee I have now was roasted by a friend of mine:

https://www.reddogroastery.com/

The coffee that is very, very good right now is:  https://www.reddogroastery.com/Single_Origin_Coffees.html

Ethiopian Hurar and the Tanzania he is selling


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Friday, August 22, 2008 - 7:49pmSanction this postReply
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Personally, I'm not interested in trying the pooped civet cat pellets. But in case anyone else is, has anyone suggested just stuffing some coffee beans down Tabby's throat - like pills - and harvesting from the litter box? Hey, if you're into crapped coffee, it saves about $420 a pound! (I like cats, but I'm not opposed to them offering something in exchange for their keep.)

I roast my own coffee - not all the time, but about 1/2 of the time. There is a significant difference in the flavor between coffee that has been roasted within the last, say 5 days, and those same beans about 6 days later. The flavor just evaporates away. And there is large difference between beans from one part of the world versus another and, of course, the darkness of the roast.

The green beans will last almost indefinitely with no loss in flavor. It is only after the roasting that the flavor starts disappearing.

I pay a lot less, on average, even after shipping, for green beans than buying coffee beans at Safeway. I haven't been doing this for that long, just the last year. I'll be getting a roaster and a conical grinder before long, and that will increase the quality a little bit (more uniform results in roasting and grind size) while making it easier. Right now I roast out in the back yard with a heat-gun that I had around from removing varnish on the boat, and a steel bowl - a little tedious and it makes my shirt and arms smell like coffee.

This is where I order the beans from and has a wealth of information: http://www.sweetmarias.com/index.htm

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Friday, August 22, 2008 - 8:06pmSanction this postReply
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A civet is a cat in the way that a bear is a dog. It's not. If you want to feed coffee beans to your cat, feel free. I am not a cat person, and will not mourn its passing due to liver failure. While you're add it, add chocolate for dead mocha cat java.

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Friday, August 22, 2008 - 8:20pmSanction this postReply
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That's a shame, Ted. All of the cats that could have been put to good use... And I suppose that purchasing one's own civit (non-cat) to ensure the correct digestive processing without liver failure would be too expensive or prohibited by some protected species act or some law against wildlife importation. Darn, just when coffee drinkers around the world were looking at Tabby with a new sense of appreciation.

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Monday, August 25, 2008 - 6:14amSanction this postReply
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Yes I bought a conical grinder from Sweet Maria's also that is where he used to get his coffee and home roast as well - but now he uses direct sources I think - and yes he puts the date of the roast on the label and ships them out very quickly.

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