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Thursday, July 5, 2007 - 1:06pmSanction this postReply
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This is an interesting concept.  Nietzsche's prediction came true with a vengeance.  But, what does it imply?  Should we keep the concept of "God" viable, as an "opiate for the masses"?   Or, should we trust reason to show the light?  If, the latter, then we must start teaching the importance of philosophy at a very young age. 

I ask this question sincerely.  As, I do not see anything in the current culture that would replace religion, as flawed as it is, to act as a governor on peoples baser instincts.  Rand's philosophy does provide the answers, and in my opinion (and I trust, most here) would lead to a much more moral world, but can it really replace religion when less than 1 % of the population subscribes to it?


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Thursday, July 5, 2007 - 2:47pmSanction this postReply
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It isn't me, it's just my mind that is confusing things...

I came across this very excerpt from Wolfe's essay while reading Virginia Postrel's The Future and its Enemies The point being made was not that we need a return to theism. If God is dead, then morality cannot be couched in the form of an external transcendent command, unless, perhaps, one replaces God with the Volk or the Proletariat. But at least individuals were left with a sense of self control and personal responsibility. But if the radical claims of evolutionary psychology and reductive determinism are taken as true, then even self-control "is dead" and all sorts of license can be granted if violence and rape are in our hormones and personal choice is a Cartesian myth.

Of course, the denial of free-will is self-defeating, both morally and epistemologically. If you plead that you had no choice but to commit your crimes, I shall respond that I have no choice but to punish you for them.

But as a commentary on the sociological impact of the results of denying the real existence of an autonomous self that chooses to do the right thing, this essay is quite excellent.

Ted Keer







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Friday, July 6, 2007 - 12:03amSanction this postReply
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I love reading Tom Wolfe's stuff. He is such a great writer. But, as with so many modern intellectuals, his view of the mind-body issue is flawed. He evidently subscribes to a form of Cartesian dualism, in which to deny the ghost in the machine is to deny the soul. Wolfe bemoans our failure to find the soul neurologically -- by examining the brain. But the soul -- or consciousness -- is not to be found by extrospection. It is to be found only introspectively, because it is simply the subjective manifestation of brain activity.

In another post, I gave the example of the morning star and the evening star, which were regarded as two different celestial bodies before they were discovered to be the same planet (Venus) viewed at two different times of the day and at two different locations in the sky. What astronomers didn't realize is that the morning star is the evening star. In the same way, people today don't realize that the soul or mind just is the subjective manifestation of the brain.

We are all aware that anesthesia eliminates the sensation of pain by deadening the appropriate nerves. So, we don't look for a ghostly "pain in the machine" as somehow separate and distinct from the activation of the nerve endings that give rise to it. We recognize that pain is simply the experiential manifestation of certain physiological processes. But for some reason, we have difficulty recognizing a similar relationship between thinking and cerebral activity.

As for free will, it doesn't exist -- at least not in the classic or Objectivist sense of the term in which one could have chosen otherwise under precisely the same conditions. Does that mean that the criminal had no choice but to commit the crime? No, he had a choice; he just didn't recognize the alternative as worth choosing. Did the failing student have a choice to select the right answers on the test? Yes, the correct answers were there to be chosen. He just didn't recognize them as correct and therefore as worth choosing.

We say that the criminal lacked a "conscience" because he didn't see the wrongness of his action, just as we say that the student lacked intelligence, because he didn't see the wrongness of his answers. But both had the opportunity to make the right choices. The criminal was aware of the law and had the choice to obey it, just as the student was aware of the other answers on the test and had the choice to select them. Both the criminal and the student could have chosen otherwise, if they had valued the alternative enough to choose it. It is for this reason that the teacher has no compunction about failing the poor student; and the criminal justice system, no compunction about punishing the criminal. Classical free will is not a pre-requisite for moral or legal responsibility.

Does an absence of free will in the above sense imply an absence of autonomy? Not if autonomy means the freedom to act on one's own judgment, even if one's judgment determines one's choice of action. As long as such freedom exists, one can be viewed as an autonomous moral agent and held accountable for one's choices.

- Bill
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Friday, July 6, 2007 - 12:26amSanction this postReply
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Wolfe is primarily a cultural commentator, so I don't look for deep philosophical insights or innovations from him. I don't think he necessarily even subscribes to one or another school of ontology or sees a problem himself with the idea of free will. My impression was that he sees the implications of this theory upon the culture and its implications for the further decline of our culture. Indeed, this essay was written in 1996.

I also strongly suggest that people listen to him speak here, quite eruditely and most entertainingly, commercial free.

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Friday, July 6, 2007 - 5:37amSanction this postReply
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My fave of his has always been The Painted Word.....

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Friday, July 6, 2007 - 7:14amSanction this postReply
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Bill: I think you're right on with your analysis and insights. You have an admirer. I envy your ability to express yourself as you have, above.

Sam


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Friday, July 6, 2007 - 8:40amSanction this postReply
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Those of you who don't subscribe to The New Individualist probably missed the outstanding profile of Tom Wolfe by Marsha Enright in our Fall 2006 issue.


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Friday, July 6, 2007 - 9:43pmSanction this postReply
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Bill: I think you're right on with your analysis and insights. You have an admirer. I envy your ability to express yourself as you have, above.
Thanks, Sam! That's great to hear. The views I was expressing are controversial enough that I seldom find agreement with them. So, it's nice to hear from a kindred "soul." :)

Cheers!

- Bill


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Sunday, July 8, 2007 - 4:21pmSanction this postReply
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Bill, I know you have had long exchanges on this point elsewhere, but if you deny choice as a factor, and regress to values as necessitating causes, then how do our values arise? Do we have no choice in what our values are? Does not our choice to think or act without further thought not exist? Were we born to be objectivists? This latter assertion that troubles Wolfe, that we don't even control our own values (e.g., that rapists rape because their values are determined by their hormones) is what Wolfe seems to be arguing against. What do you see as the first cause in what are values are?

Ted





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Sunday, July 8, 2007 - 7:01pmSanction this postReply
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Bill, I know you have had long exchanges on this point elsewhere, but if you deny choice as a factor, and regress to values as necessitating causes, then how do our values arise?
Through nature and nurture, heredity and environment.
Do we have no choice in what our values are?
No, not a direct choice, as you seem to be implying. For example, I didn't "choose" to value Objectivism, but I did choose to read Rand's writings and in so doing became aware of her philosophy and the reasons behind it. Her ideas resonated with me, and as a result, I came to value them. But my appreciation of her ideas proceeded directly from my understanding of them. I didn't appreciate them because I "chose" to appreciate them. I appreciated them, because I grasped their significance.
Does not our choice to think or act without further thought not exist?
Of course, it exists, but we make the choice, because we view it as worth making under the circumstances. Every choice is made for the sake of an end or goal, which the moral agent values.
Were we born to be objectivists?
Not born to be Objectivists, but born with the capacity to grasp and appreciate Objectivism once we became aware of it.
This latter assertion [is what] troubles Wolfe, that we don't even control our own values (e.g., that rapists rape because their values are determined by their hormones) is what Wolfe seems to be arguing against.
Well, rapists rape, because they want to, think they can get away with it, and have no moral qualms about it. That is why moral education is so important. If people are taught moral principles including the value of individual rights and as a result come to understand their importance, it is that understanding that will determine their choices and actions. If you want people to act differently, then you have to get them to think differently, which is why philosophy is so important. It is people's ideas that determine their actions. If people were free to disregard their philosophical beliefs at will, then of what practical importance would their beliefs be as a guide to action?
What do you see as the first cause in what our values are?
A value is that which one acts to gain or keep. The very first cause of a person's goal-directed action would be his birth as a human being. Once born, he begins to act for the sake of values, initially on the basis of whatever natural desires are present at the time of birth. As the infant develops, his action becomes gradually more self-conscious and deliberate, but still determined by whatever goals he judges to be worth pursuing. These would include the choice to focus his mind, which he makes because he wants to know something -- to understand clearly something of interest to him. Eventually, he will recognize the importance of focusing his mind as a conscious policy enabling him to deal more effectively with reality in the achievement of his material values. That is how I see the genesis and development of a person's values and value judgments.

- Bill

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Monday, July 9, 2007 - 7:22pmSanction this postReply
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Bill, how would you deal with the paradox of Buridan's Ass? Does it not imply a freedom of action not strictly determined by one's values?

(For those who aren't familiar, imagine a hungry donkey standing equally distant from two identical bails of hay. Given that the apparent value of each is exactly equal, the donkey will have no way to chose one over the other, and hence will starve to death in indecision.)

Ted

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Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 12:06amSanction this postReply
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Ted,

The "Buridan's ass" dilemma is an odd argument against determinism, for if it were valid, it would prove that donkeys have free will, which is something Objectivism would deny. Obviously, the actions of a donkey are determined by its values, yet no donkey has ever starved to death, because it coudn't decide between two equally attractive bales of hay. The reason is that if the donkey were hungry, it would simply eat the first bale it happened to see and ignore the other.

And even if it considered the other bale as well, it would not consider both bales at the same time. It would be drawn first to one bale of hay and then to the other, such that it would eventually reach a point at which its hunger would outweigh any interest in attending to the other bale, and it would simply consume the bale of hay on which it happened to be focused at the time that it could no longer defer gratification.

- Bill

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Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 5:39pmSanction this postReply
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Higher animals do indeed have will, just not "free" will.


I'd like to address three things, the objectivist notion of free will, and my notion of volition (which is common to higher animals) and "free" will which is a moral concept regarding the volition of normal adult humans.

First, Rand presents no scientific theory of the will, and other than asserting that there is a difference between the metaphysical and the man-made, she offers no theories of the mechanism of will. She is primarily concerned with the moral and epistemological implications of free will, so she sees its axiomatic necessity as sufficient for her purposes, and she simply holds that volition is a kind of causation, without worrying about the mechanism. This is fine for me. My only real concern with will is as a moral concept. When we say that someone did something of his own free will, what we mean is that he is morally responsible for that action. Whether the mechanism of his choice was mediated by a special organ (the pineal gland?) or a special neuron or is an emergent property of his entire nervous system doesn't really matter so far as ethics is concerned.

I am uncomfortable with Rand's doctrine of the "Metaphysical versus the Manmade." To me it seems ad-hoc, and it is presented as a metaphysical theory which means that in some way, humans are an exception to nature. To me, this smacks almost of dualism, and I see no way that her theory can be supported as a metaphysical or scientific doctrine.

(to be cont.)

Ted Keer

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 2:16amSanction this postReply
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Volition and Free Will, Continued

I see volition in its broadest sense to be the ability of at least higher animals to act when their circumstances are insufficient to determine their actions. An example would be best.

Imagine a dog is in a corridor, and, hungry, senses a bowl of food at the end of the corridor. All other things being equal, the dog will traverse the corridor and consume the food. But imagine if there are two identical corridors, side by side, leading to the same food, or imagine again the problem of Buridan's ass. Of course the dog will choose to move along one or the other corridor, or the ass will eventually (and probably rather quickly) chose one of the bails of hay. Obviously no verbal debate will rage in the animals' heads as to which path to take, but a path will be chosen. Nothing in the environment necessitates one path over the other. The cause is internal to the animal, and the choice of path cannot be traced back to an inherent value of the animal. (Even if we object that the animal may have a preference or a tendency to, say, move to the right, we can always set up the conditions such that the rightside path is slightly longer, thus neutralizing the rightward tendency as a causal factor.) The same will apply to humans, but with a twist.

Humans too have this volition, this ability to act even though external inducements are "sub-determinate." A man may be faced with an infinite number of choices to obtain values, all of apparently equal optimality. He may even fret and find it hard to come to a decision. A fully rational and calculated decision, even if processed by his "lightening swift subconscious" may still not give a determinate result within a reasonable timeframe. When being chased by a killer, pausing to consider which path to follow for escape is counterproductive.

The man will not say that he cannot make up his mind, and surrender to being stabbed, he will choose a path. He might even resort to the expedient of flipping a coin if he is so internally conflicted - but even this choice to resort to flipping a coin is not forced upon him by either his circumstances or his values. He could just as easily use any number of random devices (one-potato-two-potato, e.g.) in order to solve his dilemma. And we would not say that he values one-tay-two-tay over coin tossing, at least not without sounding pedantic.

Furthermore, humans have "free will" because they (at least tacitly) realize that they have a choice while animals do not have that capacity to understand their own mental processes. Thus we ascribe free will to competent adults who are not acting under duress or mere physical necessity.

If I jump out of a window to avoid capture for a crime, I do so of my own free will. If I jump out of a window to avoid being burnt to death, my action is voluntary, but not "free" in the sense that if I kill someone that I land on in the fall I will not be held responsible for homicide. If I fall out the window as the building collapses, no will is involved at all.

I believe that the Buridan's ass dilemma does indeed have a most profound importance in the understanding of what volition is.

Ted Keer

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 11:09amSanction this postReply
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Ted wrote,
I see volition in its broadest sense to be the ability of at least higher animals to act when their circumstances are insufficient to determine their actions. An example would be best.

Imagine a dog is in a corridor, and, hungry, senses a bowl of food at the end of the corridor. All other things being equal, the dog will traverse the corridor and consume the food. But imagine if there are two identical corridors, side by side, leading to the same food, or imagine again the problem of Buridan's ass. Of course the dog will choose to move along one or the other corridor, or the ass will eventually (and probably rather quickly) chose one of the bails of hay. Obviously no verbal debate will rage in the animals' heads as to which path to take, but a path will be chosen. Nothing in the environment necessitates one path over the other. The cause is internal to the animal, and the choice of path cannot be traced back to an inherent value of the animal.
I don't know what you mean by "inherent value." If, as you say, the cause is internal to the animal and the act is one that is conscious and goal directed, then it is caused by the animal's values in conjunction with its external environment.
(Even if we object that the animal may have a preference or a tendency to, say, move to the right, we can always set up the conditions such that the rightside path is slightly longer, thus neutralizing the rightward tendency as a causal factor.) The same will apply to humans, but with a twist.

Humans too have this volition, this ability to act even though external inducements are "sub-determinate." A man may be faced with an infinite number of choices to obtain values, all of apparently equal optimality. He may even fret and find it hard to come to a decision. A fully rational and calculated decision, even if processed by his "lightening swift subconscious" may still not give a determinate result within a reasonable timeframe. When being chased by a killer, pausing to consider which path to follow for escape is counterproductive.

The man will not say that he cannot make up his mind, and surrender to being stabbed, he will choose a path. He might even resort to the expedient of flipping a coin if he is so internally conflicted - but even this choice to resort to flipping a coin is not forced upon him by either his circumstances or his values.
It isn't "forced" upon him, but it is necessitated by his values. To say that it is "forced" upon him implies that he is forced to act against his values, which is what "force" means in this context. You cannot be "forced" to act in accordance with your values.
He could just as easily use any number of random devices (one-potato-two-potato, e.g.) in order to solve his dilemma. And we would not say that he values one-tay-two-tay over coin tossing, at least not without sounding pedantic.
Observe that the choice he faces is not simply choosing a coin toss over some alternative procedure, but also entails the act of choosing a decision procedure over not choosing one. So, when he chooses to delay the choice of a decision procedure, he is making a choice, which it itself the result of a value preference. If he decides eventually on the coin-toss, because it is the procedure that he happens to be focused on at the time that he wishes to make a choice, he can be said to value the coin-toss, not over an alternative procedure, but over any further delay in deciding on a procedure.
Furthermore, humans have "free will" because they (at least tacitly) realize that they have a choice while animals do not have that capacity to understand their own mental processes. Thus we ascribe free will to competent adults who are not acting under duress or mere physical necessity.
I don't think this is an adequate account of "free will" in the classical or Objectivist sense of that term (i.e., in the sense that one could have acted otherwise under the same conditions). In a previous post, I gave the example of the student who is taking a multiple choice test. Let us say that the student, who wants to pass the test, knows the correct answer. He realizes that he "could" choose one of the other (wrong) answers if he wanted to, but he doesn't want to, because he wants to pass the test. Is his choosing the correct answer "free" in the sense that he could just as well have chosen one of the other answers, even though he didn't want to? No, because given his desire to pass the test, he had to choose the answer that he recognized as correct. Yet he was not under duress or in any way forced to choose the answer he did.
If I jump out of a window to avoid capture for a crime, I do so of my own free will. If I jump out of a window to avoid being burnt to death, my action is voluntary, but not "free" in the sense that if I kill someone that I land on in the fall I will not be held responsible for homicide.
The issue here is not one of freedom versus necessity, for in both cases, your action was necessitated by your values in conjunction with the external circumstances. If you jump out of the building to avoid capture for a crime, you are taking an action that is (reasonably) prohibited by law, so that if you kill someone in the process, you will be held legally responsible for the person's death and charged with manslaughter. Jumping out of the window in order to escape a fire is not prohibited by law, so that if you kill someone inadvertently in the fall, you will not be charged with manslaughter. However, in both cases, your actions were necessitated by your values. The fact that, given your criminal values, you saw no reason to abstain from committing the crime, does not absolve you of responsibility for it. We punish you in order to get you to re-evaluate your actions and to change your values, as well as to deter others from committing similar crimes. What does it mean to "deter" others from committing similar crimes? It means to cause potential criminals to change the value that they place on crime in light of the consequences they will suffer if they are apprehended.
I believe that the Buridan's ass dilemma does indeed have a most profound importance in the understanding of what volition is.
The point of the Buridan's ass dilemma is to argue that an animal or a person can choose an action arbitrarily without any reason or motive for the choice, which contradicts the fact that a person's choices are goal-directed -- that they are taken for the sake of of a value -- for the sake of something which the person desires to gain or keep. If free will were of this character, it is hard to see how punishment or rewards could influence a person's free-will choices. If his free-will choices were arbitrary, pointless decisions that did not reflect his value judgments, then punishment or rewards would have no effect on his behavior, in which case, it would be sheer, pointless brutality to punish someone for a crime that was due to the exercise of free will.

But if this conception of free will as arbitrary pointless decision making is rejected, then the only reasonable alternative is a compatibilist or value-determinist view of free will in which punishment and rewards do make sense, because a person's choices are the result of his value judgments. A free choice in this sense simply means one in which the moral agent would not have been prevented from choosing an alternative if he had evaluated it as worth choosing.

- Bill
(Edited by William Dwyer
on 7/11, 12:24pm)


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