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Monday, July 16, 2007 - 10:43amSanction this postReply
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Monday, July 16, 2007 - 11:09amSanction this postReply
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Sorry, I missed it. I'm behind on my RofR reading which is what happens when you're away for a week at Summer Seminar! Maybe the admin folks can delete this post and put my comments under the other thread.

Ed


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Monday, July 16, 2007 - 11:25amSanction this postReply
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No problem, and nothing profound missed. Will be happy if any more comments appear here, and found your mentally unstable remark a funny understatement.

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Monday, July 16, 2007 - 11:36amSanction this postReply
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One syndrome that astounds me is the popularity among American Blacks of conversion to isl^m. Don't they know who it was that ruled the Slave Coast and was the major player in the slave trade before the Europeans.

And now, while reading Nevin's excellent series on the Civil War, I come across a certain Cassius Clay, abolitionist. Now I had always thought that Mohammed Ali did sound better than Cassius Clay just for marketing purposes. I didn't know there was a virtuous namesake for Clay.

Something better than isl^m has to be offered to disaffected Americans. And proselytizing for isl^m in Jails has to be stopped. There will be roars from the 1st Amendment types, but isl^m is a criminal conspiracy first, a religion second. In the jails, it amounts to gangsterism, outside to treason.

Ted

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Monday, July 16, 2007 - 12:57pmSanction this postReply
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Equally appalling is this retort:
 

Mark Drake, of the Republican party in Minnesota, said: "To compare the democratically elected leader of the United States of America to Hitler is an absolute moral outrage which trivialises the horrors of Nazi Germany."

 

As if a democratically elected leader couldn’t possibly be a dictator or as if Hitler was not democratically elected in the first place


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Monday, July 16, 2007 - 3:28pmSanction this postReply
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Good analysis, Greg. It's easy to accept a statement like that without really looking at it critically.

Sam


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Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 9:33pmSanction this postReply
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That's what people love to forget about Hitler. He was democratically elected. Then the Reichstag surrendered the power to make laws to him.


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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 12:08amSanction this postReply
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No, that he was a tea-totalling non-smoking vegetarian is what they like to forget, Chris.

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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 5:36amSanction this postReply
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Hitler was NOT democratically elected to chancellor, you folks need to take a refresher history course. Hitler ran for election, lost, and then was appointed by the person who won the election as chancellor through manipulation and backstabbing. Hitler usurped the democratic process to become chancellor.

From R.J. Rummels Site
http://freedomspeace.blogspot.com/2005/04/what-hitler-was-not-elected.html


Frequently, those who oppose the democratic peace argue that Hitler was elected democratically in 1932, and therefore World War II in which Hitler fought many democracies shows that democracies make war on each other. Then there are those who recognize that Hitler seized total power in Germany and therefore at the time of the war, it was not a democracy. Still, even some of them believe Hitler was elected, and that proves the inherent danger of democracies electing tyrants.

First, Hitler was never elected. He ran in two national elections in 1932. In the first, he got 30 percent of the vote, and no one got a majority. In the resulting runoff election, he increased his votes to 37 percent, while his opponent, World War I hero Field Marshall Hindenburg, got a majority. And since the Nazi party won 230 seats out of 608 in the Reichstag, it did not have the majority to make Hitler Chancellor.

So how did this happen? By backroom backstabbing, double-crossing, threats, and promises, including among former Chancellor Franz von Papen, present Chancellor Lieutenant General Kurt von Schleicher, and the elected President Hindenburg. Their maneuvering, a rumor of a threatened military coup, and the urging von Papen, who had entered into a secret alliance with Hitler to get supporters into Cabinet positions, finally persuaded Hindenburg to reluctantly appoint that “little corporeal” Hitler chancellor. Many involved in this intrigue, including von Papen, thought that this would bring Hitler under their control.


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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 6:41pmSanction this postReply
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No, that he was a tea-totalling non-smoking vegetarian is what they like to forget, Chris.
I like to forget that Hitler was B-12 deficient -- which leads to irreversible 'dain bramage' within 6 years. All vegetarians prior to 1934, when B-12 first became a popular "treatment," were deficient and damaged. It's easier to hate Hitler if you forget that he was a self-made retard. So I do.

;-)

Ed



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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 7:01pmSanction this postReply
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Ed, I don't know why it would be less easy to hate Hitler for being a self-made idiot if he did so due to his own irrational asceticism. Also, I don't know if he was vegan or if he ate eggs, etc. In any case, anyone smart enough to do what he did can certainly be held fully responsible for what he did.

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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 8:54pmSanction this postReply
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Ted,

You're right. Hating Hitler doesn't require any mention of his sanity, only of his works. People should always and only be judged by what they do with their lives -- not by our psychologizing of them. Thanks for reminding me of that aspect of reality.

Ed


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