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Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 2:42pmSanction this postReply
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Ted,

I agree with Steve when he said:

This "all to common occurrence" that you lay at the feet of Objectivism is not inherent in the philosophy but in the mistaken understanding of the principles.
It's as if you were a rationalist, looking at Objectivism through the twin-lense of rationalism and your own individual life, and then saying to yourself: Objectivism is unworkable, because it leads to my (or some others') unhappiness. Indeed, if the question were posed:

"What about a gay man who is also a rationalist, what would Objectivism do to his well-being?"

... then it's easy to see how he would end up in disaster.

But that's not because of Objectivism, it's because of his rationalism -- which becomes toxic for him (when mixed with some of the premises of Objectivism). He would have a "different" (absolutist; non-normative) view of what it means for something to be universal.

He would react like most Objectivist critics have (e.g., it's just "dogma"; it's "cheap" certainty; it's "empty" materialism), and he would blame Objectivism for being top-down and deductive -- and then point to Godel's Incompleteness Theorem and sneer back at Objectivism. It seems, even if you don't go as far as he, that you have accepted some of WF Buckley's premises.

Ed

(Edited by Ed Thompson on 11/21, 2:44pm)


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Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 3:22pmSanction this postReply
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Joe, yes, I still stand by that. She was misapplying the principles.

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Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 4:04pmSanction this postReply
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Ok, thanks, Steve.

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Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 10:04pmSanction this postReply
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Bustamante's "warning signs"
(Edited by Ted Keer on 11/21, 10:06pm)


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Monday, November 23, 2009 - 2:38pmSanction this postReply
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Adolescence is something we all either survive, or don't.

It can be brutally cruel.

Six-sigma happens. Here are two examples that barely reached adolescence, much less, survived it.

There is something disturbing about Bustamente's picture. Given, she's depressed, distraught, and just committed murder.

She's not only blank, but if you disregard the hair, she looks somewhat sexually ambivalent. (ie, that could easily be an adolescent male.) That is a characteristic of many adolescents, most at some point in our life, but imagine being overly self-aware of it, in this culture with its hyper focus on beauty, and its, IMO, way too young for our own good self awareness of our expected sexual roles, often, culturally, too hard to live up to at a young age expected sexual roles.

Millions of adolescents deal with that, painful or not. By far, most. A tiny few, for whatever reason, and my amateur analysis above is pulled straight from my butt, just my impression of her picture, -- don't deal with it gracefully or reasonably, and thus, don't survive their adolescence.

There are a ton of ways not to survive adolescence. Fortunately, most do. Few with no scars at all...


(Edited by Fred Bartlett on 11/23, 2:41pm)


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