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Friday, October 1, 2010 - 7:50amSanction this postReply
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I can't say I'm too interested in this. Same old from ARI. Stop whining and make your own intellectual movement. :P. Am I somehow missing some terrible implications to my future due to this clash between the True Blue Ayn Rand Institute Titans?

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Friday, October 1, 2010 - 10:51amSanction this postReply
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I think Tracinski is absolutely right.

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Friday, October 1, 2010 - 12:02pmSanction this postReply
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Robert Tracinski is only half right. I'm concerned about the emotions and the perspective that are announced with the subtitle to his article, "The Objectivist Movement Commits Suicide."

Here is the perspective that was needed: From the beginning, there have been both personalities and ideas. For the most part Objectivism has been an extraordinary burst of light, of brilliance in the only way that truly matters - as ideas. But it is also a movement with people at the center and there are those who focus not just on the people but also on the conflicts between the people. It is unfortunate that personalities don't all live up to the ideas. It is sad that the organization at the center of the active movement has these on-going conflicts. And to be sure, Dr. Peikof has shown more than his share of flaws mixed in with the good work that he has done. But is this the death of the Objectivist movement? Of course not.

Here we are at what is likely to be one of the major turning points in political history. We are living in a turbulent time pregnant with importance to our future and to the basic values we share... and we are supposed to get excited about this email and the other items telling us that Dr. Peikoff has an inappropriate attitude towards the organization of an intellectual organization?

In its own way, it is as foolish to make this a major focus, and spend ones energies doing battle over this as it is for Dr. Peikoff to damage relations among Objectivists over these tiny slights he perceives and magnifies in view of proper respect.

What I sense in the article Mr. Tracinski has written is an emotional urge to write off ARI, Dr. Peikoff, and all of those associated. Finding and expanding upon the facts that justify this comes second - or so it seems. And all the while it means that the focus of more and more people is on internal squabbles between Objectivists. These things feed on one another and draw more and more people in like an intellectual black hole. And its very existence makes it appear a legitimate and reasonable topic for endless discussions and for the taking of sides, and for fierce battles where ones honor is at stake.

So, as bad as the email was, and as harmful as the authoritarian attitude is to the current Objectivist structure and as sad as it is when we see good people start down bad paths, they are Objectivists in a world of mystics, terrorists, dictators, progressives, and ignorant fools. It isn't like we are short on enemies that really are enemies.

Mr. Tracinski has done an admirable job of illuminating some of the principles that need to be examined in considering how 'authority' should be regarded in an intellectual movement, but it isn't presented in a way that invites improvement where needed, or attempts to take our understanding of the nature of an intellectual movement to new levels, but rather is a divisive article that is far more about attacking individuals and dividing people. They aren't ad hominem attacks because he stays focused on ideas, but its purpose isn't as much to further the principles of Objectivism as to focus on factions in a way that increases factionalism.

I remain mystified by people who insist on continually fighting with those who agree with them on most principles instead of with those who disagree with them on most principles. (To say nothing of the 'tempest in a teapot' aspect of this alleged death of Objectivism by suicide.)

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Friday, October 1, 2010 - 1:12pmSanction this postReply
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I think you and Tracinski are using "Objectivist movement" differently.  He means a formal organization with named individuals at the forefront.  You use it pretty much synonymously with "Objectivism."  You can have Objectivism without such an organization, and that is just what Rand wanted in 1968 when NBI closed down.

Nathaniel Branden has remarked to the effect that you'll know Objectivism has arrived when people say "that's obvious" and not "that's Objectivism."  To the extent that this happens, "the Objectivist movement" will, in Marx's phrase, wither away.


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Friday, October 1, 2010 - 2:03pmSanction this postReply
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Peter,

You are correct, and I probably should have said something about that.

I see the Objectivist movement as including formal organizations, informal organizations, activism and of course their common fabric and shared purpose: the ideas, principles and values - Objectivism.

(Activism would be a kind of act, like ARI sending copies of Ayn Rand's books to high schools, or you and I publicly advocating what Objectivism means here at RoR, or an ad hoc group on some campus, with no ties to anyone else, getting together to discuss the ideas in The Fountainhead, or an individual writing a letter to an editor specifically to introduce an Objectivist perspective on some issue.)

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Friday, October 1, 2010 - 9:31pmSanction this postReply
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Tracinski is right, Laure. 

The article is startling, refreshing and heartbreaking all at the same time.  I'm a little dazed, but he's right to call out the shenanigans.   


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Saturday, October 2, 2010 - 12:47pmSanction this postReply
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On further reflection I expect that this episode won't have as much effect as Tracinski and others seem to think.  It will matter to two groups of people:
- professional academics who respect ARI (or did up until now) but aren't entirely in its thrall;
- big donors who actually pay attention to where their money is going.

The first are a minority several times over.  The second might be important to ARI, but you'd have to be privy to its books to know for sure.  The $50 donors, the high-schoolers who accept copies of The Fountainhead and the tv-viewers who see Brook on Fox News and decide to follow up may never hear of this and won't care if they do.  ARI will continue to do what it does right, and Rand's legacy will rise above the whole thing.


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Saturday, October 2, 2010 - 2:01pmSanction this postReply
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Some really good analysis in this thread.

Ed


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Saturday, October 2, 2010 - 3:14pmSanction this postReply
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Ed, did you read the article?  I'm interested in what you think about this because you expressed interested in the original topic. 

Is Peikoff going off the deep end, or what?


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Saturday, October 2, 2010 - 4:51pmSanction this postReply
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Tres,

I only read until the hyperlink to Chip Joyce's facebook discussion (almost twice as far into the article as I really needed to read).

After the Peikoff-Kelley debacle of years gone past, I had already seen "enough." It's like contemporary politics is to me -- rampant cults of personality giving a big show for the onlookers. I consider myself as part of a grass-roots "Tea Party-style" Objectivist.

There is no leader of the Tea Party.

There is no leader of Objectivism, for "me" either. As far as I'm concerned, the analogy is not just strong, but complete. Objectivism should be "run" like the Tea Party has been -- with different factions keeping each other in check via "competition."

On the subject, I'm pretty sure McCaskey doesn't have a big point. It's like his critique scores personality points for him -- but it isn't, itself, intelligent or fruitful.

Is Peikoff going off the deep end, or what?
Peikoff never left the deep end. I still appreciate him though.

Ed

(Edited by Ed Thompson on 10/02, 4:55pm)


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Saturday, October 2, 2010 - 6:14pmSanction this postReply
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I really really like this:
 
 
I consider myself as part of a grass-roots "Tea Party-style" Objectivist.

There is no leader of the Tea Party.

There is no leader of Objectivism, for "me" either. As far as I'm concerned, the analogy is not just strong, but complete. Objectivism should be "run" like the Tea Party has been -- with different factions keeping each other in check via "competition."


Perfect.


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Sunday, October 3, 2010 - 12:49amSanction this postReply
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Gosh, it looks more and more like Peikoff is suffering from some form of senility. I'm not saying that to be sarcastic. I'm serious. He's always been somewhat dogmatic and authoritarian, but lately his comments betray a serious deficiency in good judgment -- a lack of plain common sense. I mean that bit about bombing the mosque near Ground Zero if it's constructed -- that's just nuts, just crazy! It isn't even in the ballpark of reasonableness. And this latest thing with McCaskey is a clear overreaction as well.

And then I've noticed that Peikoff is not careful with his writing -- that he seems to write off the top of his head and doesn't reread or reconsider what he's written before sending it. He had previously taken care to write well. He even gave a course on grammar, which was very good and indicated that he was quite knowledgeable on the subject. Yet in his McCaskey response, he wrote:

"When a great book sponsored by the Institute and championed by me – I hope you still know who I am and what my intellectual status is in Objectivism – is denounced by a member of the Board of the Institute, which I founded, someone has to go, and someone will go. It is our prerogative to decide whom."

The sentence should end with "who," not "whom." Viz., "It is our prerogative to decide who (will go)" -- not whom (will go). This is the kind of uneducated mistake that someone like Peikoff would never make. Yet there it is.

I hate to use this analogy, but I'm thinking of Captain Queeg of the Caine Mutiny -- someone who is in command but is losing it. Queeg, if you recall, is prone to eccentric behavior, displays an oppressive command style and exhibits unprovoked angry outbursts. After refusing the assistance of his predecessor, he panics in a fog, nearly collides with a battleship, and passes the blame to his helmsman, starting a series of incidents that result in a court-martial and mental breakdown.

I hope it's not true, but I think Peikoff's judgment is deteriorating. I don't think this is the last of the serious errors that we're likely to see.







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Sunday, October 3, 2010 - 3:16pmSanction this postReply
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Bill,

I mean that bit about bombing the mosque near Ground Zero if it's constructed -- that's just nuts, just crazy!
And you are forgetting that he said that, if you don't vote democrat (Obama) in 2008, then you ain't no true Objectivist.

Ed


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Monday, October 4, 2010 - 3:46pmSanction this postReply
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No, for Pete's sakes, how could I ever forget that?!? But that's not as loony as bombing a mosque because you think it's placed too close to Ground Zero. Yes, I know, Howard Roark bombed Cortland Homes, because he was ripped off, but that was for dramatic effect within the context of a novel. It wasn't to be taken literally as a form of political protest.



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Wednesday, October 6, 2010 - 11:47amSanction this postReply
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I just read more of the article. Tracinski did a good job of reporting, except for this:

I would note that a scientist has to be an expert in epistemology in his own right—and historically, the scientists have been much better epistemologists than the philosophers. In my view, we would be much better off if the scientists did not rely on the philosophers for their ideas on epistemology, but rather if the philosophers relied on the scientists. They could make a good start by studying Galileo and Newton.
There is an equivocation above. Tracinski was arguing against a "top-down" method where philosophers get to tell scientists how to do science (and builders how to build, and traders how to trade, and lovers how to love, and lifers how to live, etc.). It's true that bad philosophy shouldn't do these things, but not because philosophy would be over-stepping its bounds.

It's not inherently true that philosophy should not be man's guide to values and action.

It's just true of bad philosophy. And, like the bad science we currently get (e.g., anthropogenic global warming), we would not be better off if "the philosophers relied on the scientists."

First and foremost, we need good philosophy. It's how you live well.

Ed


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Wednesday, October 6, 2010 - 7:20pmSanction this postReply
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I agree, Ed. Tracinski is ignoring the more important point that philosophy proper (not philosophers) should prescribe the epistemological standards governing the other sciences. He writes, "Reluctantly, I have concluded that the error does go back to Ayn Rand, particularly this analogy from her essay 'For the New Intellectual'":

The professional intellectual is the field agent of the army whose commander-in-chief is the philosopher. The intellectual carries the application of philosophical principles to every field of human endeavor. He sets a society's course by transmitting ideas from the "ivory tower" of the philosopher to the university professor—to the writer—to the artist—to the newspaperman—to the politician—to the movie maker—to the night-club singer—to the man in the street. The intellectual's specific professions are in the field of the sciences that study man, the so-called "humanities," but for that very reason his influence extends to all other professions. Those who deal with the sciences studying nature have to rely on the intellectual for philosophical guidance and information: for moral values, for social theories, for political premises, for psychological tenets and, above all, for the principles of epistemology, that crucial branch of philosophy which studies man's means of knowledge and makes all other sciences possible.

Tracinski then states:
Substantively, the wrong premise here—which is expanded upon in the rest of her essay—is Ayn Rand's idea of the division of labor between the intellectual and his audience. Yes, there is such a division of labor, and there are incalculable benefits that come from making it possible for some men to devote their full-time effort to the study and transmission of ideas. But this is one case where the division of labor has limits: a man's thinking about the most important issues of life cannot be outsourced to others or handed down to him on some transmission belt from the ivory tower.
Ayn Rand is not saying that people should accept a philosopher's ideas on faith, as though he or she were a philosophical authority figure. She is saying simply that it is the philosopher's role to investigate the science of fundamental standards and values and to advise others of his or her conclusions; but that others, in consulting the philosopher for guidance, should take care always to use their own judgment in evaluating those conclusions.
In particular, in the current context, I would note that a scientist has to be an expert in epistemology in his own right—and historically, the scientists have been much better epistemologists than the philosophers. In my view, we would be much better off if the scientists did not rely on the philosophers for their ideas on epistemology, but rather if the philosophers relied on the scientists. They could make a good start by studying Galileo and Newton.
He's missing the point. To be precise, philosophy is itself a science -- the broadest and most fundamental of all the sciences. Secondly, Insofar as physical scientists have adopted certain epistemological standards that happen to be superior to those of certain philosophers, the scientists are acting in a philosophical capacity; they are donning their philosophical hat, so to speak, and are functioning as physical scientists qua philosophers. But epistemology is not the fundamental province of the physical sciences; it is the province of philosophy proper.
Stylistically, the problem with this passage is the comparison of the philosopher to a general giving orders to his troops. You can see the potential for mischief, and I think we can now understand how Ayn Rand's successors believe that when they announce a philosophical conclusion, other intellectuals are supposed to salute smartly and stick to their marching orders.
Again, he's reading too much into her writing and is ignoring everything else she has said. Rand would be the last person to present herself as a some kind of ideological general whose job it is to give philosophical marching orders to her "troops." Tracinski's construction of Rand's writing is at odds with everything else she has said about the importance of relying on one's own judgment and not accepting anything on faith. It also ignores her article, published in the February 1965 issue of The Objectivist Newsletter, "Who is the final authority in ethics?" In that article, Rand writes,

[T[his question "is usually asked in some formulation such as: 'Who decides what is right or wrong?' . . . The answer, here as in all other moral-intellectual problems, is that nobody 'decides'." Reason and reality are the only criteria . . . Who determines which theory is true? Any man who can prove it." . . . In politics, in ethics, in art, in science, in philosophy -- in the entire realm of human knowledge -- it is reality that sets the terms, through the work of those men who are able to identify its terms and to translate them into objective principles.



(Edited by William Dwyer on 10/06, 9:07pm)


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Thursday, October 7, 2010 - 8:06amSanction this postReply
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As a slight aside, that is why, in the field of aesthetics, I consider an artist to be a 'spiritual visualizer'...

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Monday, November 15, 2010 - 11:02pmSanction this postReply
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If Tracinski's reading of Rand in the passage about top-down marching orders given by philosophers to the intellectuals is a little too literal, so in turn is the reading of Tracinski. Tracinski is contending that the influence of fundamental ideas and their applications is more spread out and reciprocal, culturally, than conceded in Rand's (and, later, Peikoff's) explicit uderstanding. In particular, he argues that good philosophical ideas often have a better chance in the culture at large than in academia, in which latter the bad ideas have a special advantage owing to the insular environment. Tracinski is arguing that too much weight has been given to academia and bad philosophers given how many different ways good ideas and practices can be generated in the culture. One of his chief examples of a non-academic countervailing force: Ayn Rand. It's not that professors can't do a lot of damage to their students; it's that when students leave the university, they're not trapped for life in whatever conceptual framework they've adopted. Why else are there so many _former_ sixties radicals?

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Good point, Evelyn.

Ed


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