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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 11:42pmSanction this postReply
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Of Buddhists, wrestlers, and thieves

It's terribly tragic what has happened in Japan, and empathy and aid are appropriate -- but let's not get carried away. I'd be wary of what Japan says about whether there's any looting or not. Japanese are masters in the art of deceit/duplicity. I think it has something to do with them all being ninjas, or something.

:-)

In the DVD, Freakonomics, the depth and breadth of accepted duplicity in the art/sport of Sumo wrestling was uncovered. It was really amazing for me to see. It's collectivist of me, but I had always thought of the Japanese as having almost super-human virtue. To see a case where it is just the opposite -- where a whole industry is polluted with accepted duplicity on top of duplicity -- really stunned me. Spoiler alert below**.

Then, when I heard that the Japanese are telling a much different story with regard to the recent nuclear mess as are the United States officials, it all came together for me. This is a culture in willful submission to the dual maxim that appearance isn't reality and that appearance is everything. You might call it a Zen Buddhist mentality where opposites -- the truth and the lies -- are embraced together as part of a higher plane, or a greater whole.

Tip: Never loan money to a Buddhist. She may view the ideas of paying you back and of not paying you back with willful (even "high-minded") indifference. M. Scott Peck (Road Less Traveled) once asked if you'd ride in a plane if the mechanic was a Buddhist who thought that fastened bolts and unfastened bolts ought to coexist in order to capture harmony. 

Ed

**Spoiler Alert
In the US, professional wrestling is fake (though it still hurts, is hard, and causes real injuries). Winners and losers are picked beforehand. In Japan, ... well ... in Japan, Sumo wrestling is ... well ... Sumo wrestling is not completely different than that. Data on histories of wins/losses show that there is rampant skullduggery (corruption) going on. Imagine a Little League baseball team playing against a Big League and consistently losing -- except for that one time that it would really count for them to turn it around and win (when they get paid the big bucks).

And now imagine if the NFL was fixed, and the winners of Superbowls were picked beforehand -- and there was good evidence of this -- but Americans, instead of demanding that corruption be rooted out, went along with the ruse (as if it didn't exist).

(Edited by Ed Thompson on 3/17, 12:02am)


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Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 1:56amSanction this postReply
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Cultures, like economies, are often made of mixed principles. There may be some collectivist, or faith-based dimensions that were part of what has led people to the values that they choose to make into core virtues. Because a person, or even a majority of a society subscribe to some of the underlying beliefs won't make an admirable virtue into something wrong - just improperly supported.

If a man loves his wife and fights to protect her (not knowing of her betrayal of him), his ignorance of her unworthiness doesn't diminish his courage or integrity.

If someone was taught in church that individuals must choose between right and wrong, we all would prefer that he came to that belief based on reason, but we should value the acts that flow from the view of man as a volitional being who is responsible every bit as strongly as we recognize dangers of a mixed set of values.
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Under the bright light of tremendous stress we are seeing character traits in Japan that many of our subcultures should emulate. When I think of what city I'd rather be in during a major natural catastrophe - Tokyo or Los Angeles - I don't have to think twice (I've seen the looting and rioting in L.A. first hand). It is true that we are an exceptional nation, but much of what made us exceptional is in our distant past.

As Objectivists, we are able to provide sound epistemological and ethical foundations for the civility, the respect, the productivity, the courage, the persistence, the honest recognition of reality and the choice to not let the extreme stresses, or the fears they generate, tempt them to step away from their principles. They are holding true to their beliefs in how a human should behave in hard times, instead of throwing them away when easy times disappear.
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When we see moral grayness we can remember that gray is made of both black and white. Rand pointed that out in a context where she wanted to separate and then judge the black... We also need to spot and value the white.

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Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 3:14amSanction this postReply
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My son was very depressed to discover just how different Japanese culture is. He said while walking through a busy street, people won't even make eye contact with you. Smiling at strangers is everyday common here, but not in Japan. He's a very friendly, outgoing young man, and this strange phenom. really shook him.

I thought, half joking, maybe because he's a very tall, blond man, that those physical features made the natives nervous, but he disagreed.


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Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 4:53amSanction this postReply
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One aspect of Japanese culture I find utterly "crazy-making" is their refusal ever to say "no" explicitly. Their responses always are worded as something like, "It would be inconvenient." Evidently they consider "no" a socially vulgar word. I have heard it goes back to the samurai days when peasants could find themselves beheaded for saying "no" to the warlords.

I have shared this in the past but it bears repeating. My personality profile shows me as a poor candidate for managing international projects. The various questions about my tolerance of cultural differences showed me well below the "blue band of tolerance" on the resulting chart. I suppose I could work on that if I had adequate motivation such as facing unemployment. So far, that motivation has not come and I see none on the horizon.

(Edited by Luke Setzer on 3/17, 5:19am)


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Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 6:39amSanction this postReply
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I always thought the Japanese tend to value conformity and as Ed said, very concerned with appearance and I would add obligation to each other. In certain contexts this is certainly advantageous, such as a natural disaster. In others I'm not so sure.

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Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 7:35amSanction this postReply
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John in 4: Yes, you are right.

Luke in 3: No surprise there.  At least you know yourself. 

TSI in 2:  "To see without looking" is a virtue because it helps 150 million people crowded on four small islands to have some sense of privacy.  The "phenom" was your son's staring everyone else down, as if he were always spoiling for a fight.  They were just nice enough to excuse him his impoliteness seeing as he was obviously a gai-jin.  Smiling is also not universally understood to convey the same meaning as we accept.  When an Asian smiles at you, it is because he's got you where he wants you.  (Just as a generalization...) 

See Luke in 2 above. We Objectivists denigrate "multiculturalism" because in the hands of university professors leads it to "anti-Americanism" and (no quotes needed) anti-capitalism and anti-individualism.  But cultures do exist and people do live within them; and broadly, they all deliver some solutions to the same human problems. 

See John in 4 above.  John "gets" it because of his exposure to Greece, which is (not nearly so much as Japan) a "high context" culture where personal and family relationships are important. 

If a meeting is called for 3:00 PM, what time should you show up?  Different cultures have different answers. India maybe 3:45; Brazil 3:30; Germany 3:00 of course.  Americans tend to show up early, to everyone else's surprise.

Steve in 1:
"As Objectivists, we are able to provide sound epistemological and ethical foundations for the civility, the respect, the productivity, the courage, the persistence, the honest recognition of reality and the choice to not let the extreme stresses, or the fears they generate, tempt them to step away from their principles. They are holding true to their beliefs in how a human should behave in hard times, instead of throwing them away when easy times disappear."
I agree 100%.  If you were stranded on an island with five people from RoR, with whom would you prefer that to be?  See, you and I don't get along, but I evaluate you as someone who is dependable and reliable and - having boated about on your own - capable and cool headed.  Other people here, maybe they, too are doctrinaire Objectivists, but I am not sure that this grows from within as opposed to being pasted on. 

Ed in 0:  I am surprised that you did not attribute it to Kantianism.

The thing with sumo is that we cheat, too; but we cheat to get ahead and they cheat to help the other guy stay up.  They are not duplicitous, but you are prejudiced.

This came up on MSK's Objectivist Living.  Having had two college classes in Japanese for Business before working for Kawasaki and Honda, I posted some comments, which I will not repeat here.

However, I will point to this paper on Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. 
Stress and Psychological Effects
Levin, B. H. and Schafer, J. A. (2007). "Stress and psychological effects". In Schafer, J. A. and Levin, B. H. (Eds.)  Policing and Mass Casualty Events. Washington DC: Federal Bureau of Investigation, pp. 128-140.
The authors of this article submit that the commonly held views of heroism and stress response are both inter-related and misplaced.

"Most might correctly guess that married people did far better than those not married. Some might correctly guess than males were much less vulnerable than females (or would at least be less likely to admit to such vulnerabilities in a self-report survey). However, few would correctly guess that unmarried couples did far worse than any other group (married, divorced, separated, widowed and never married). In fact, the “unmarried couple” category did worse than any other demographic group within the population. Some other variables operate as most might expect. For example, the rich did much better than the poor, and the educated did much better than the uneducated. Asians did far better than whites, African Americans, Hispanics, and other racial/ethnic groups. "

Find the whole paper here, starting at page 130
http://www.policefuturists.org/pdf/207.Vol3.Mass.Casualty.Events.final.21mr07.pdf
 


What I find most interesting is that even Objectivists accept that in times of "emergency" sharing resources is expected and preferred, whereas strictly individualized solutions, such as looting, are disvalued.  Ayn Rand's essay on Lifeboat Ethics ("The Ethics of Emergencies") hinges on everyday life not being a struggle against imminent death.  The problem with that slippery slope is that we protect our property by tying property to life: it takes the time of your life to create property.  Who steals your purse steals not trash, but your life.  Thus, we want the cops and army guys to die for our inalienable right to pursuit of property.  But that is the other side of the same incremental argument that others offer for the "rights" to food, clothing, and shelter.   In other words: when is life not an emergency? 

It seems to me that a truly objective code of ethics would be applicable to all circumstances.  If being in a tsunami removes all egoism, just what do you give up on a crowded elevator? ...  In a city block? ....  bidding for a contract ...?

Finally, lest we over-generalize Asians, allow me to offer that if you wish, I have detailed studies from private and government resources about how McDonald's taught the people of Hong Kong to stand in line -- and taught employees how to smile.

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 3/17, 7:51am)


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Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 8:24amSanction this postReply
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Michael,
Since when is looting a TV from a store a response to an emergency?  "When is life not an emergency?"  Don't be silly.


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Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 9:43amSanction this postReply
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In Post 5 MEM shared:

Stress and Psychological Effects

Most might correctly guess that married people did far better than those not married. Some might correctly guess than males were much less vulnerable than females (or would at least be less likely to admit to such vulnerabilities in a self-report survey). However, few would correctly guess that unmarried couples did far worse than any other group (married, divorced, separated, widowed and never married). In fact, the "unmarried couple" category did worse than any other demographic group within the population.


I quickly downloaded and scanned the report but noticed no explicit explanation for why these results arose. In my usual jocular manner, I propose my own:

Having already survived the trauma of marriage, later disasters seem small and easily handled by contrast! ;-)

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Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 4:39pmSanction this postReply
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Mike,

The thing with sumo is that we cheat, too; but we cheat to get ahead and they cheat to help the other guy stay up.
But you're missing the point. It's not the fact that fraud takes place (nation-wide, fraud always takes place), instead, it's the moral sanction of it. That's why I brought up the NFL. The NFL wouldn't be "allowed" to fix SuperBowls if Americans found out about it. We wouldn't morally sanction that. The NFL, in the least, wouldn't thrive -- as Sumo wrestlers do in Japan -- by adopting self-evident fraud as a general mode of operation.

They are not duplicitous, but you are prejudiced.

Why? Is it because I think that each and every last one of them is good at math and karate and at playing the violin (with no exceptions)?

:-)

You know, Mike, when you say I'm prejudiced, you sound like a Kantian.

:-)

You damn me for perceiving things in a certain way (and with certain methods) -- rather than perceiving them in no certain way at all, and with no method at all (which is "preferred"). I'm supposed to just take it all in without any categorizing. I'm supposed to just take it all in without any judging. Which means -- heh, you didn't know that I speak "Kantian", did you? -- which means I'm supposed to just take it all in without ... get ready, here it comes ... without using my mind.

Ooooooooo, thank you, Immanuel.

:-)

Ed

(Edited by Ed Thompson on 3/17, 4:43pm)


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Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 7:47pmSanction this postReply
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US Donations to Japan Lower Than After Other Disasters

After disaster struck Japan, Americans donated some $64 million in five days, compared to $210 million for Haiti,  according toThe Chronicle of Philanthropy

International aid efforts are underway. But donations from Americans lag, compared to earthquake relief for Haiti last year. 

"My understanding is Japan is a very wealthy country so it hadn't really crossed my mind that they would need donations," one American man said.

Another American said, "It just didn't occur to me because their government is equally as powerful as the United States."



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Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 8:28pmSanction this postReply
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Today (Mar. 17) Glenn Beck gave a speech that he wished that President Obama would have given regarding the Japanese crisis. In it he addresses the "no looting" issue. In my opinion he is very presidential and some may think that he's plumping to run for president, but I don't think so.

As an aside, there's a little comedy available from Netflix called "Fear and Trembling" which gives an exaggerated view of the stereotypes of Japanese office workers.

In search of a new beginning, Amélie (Sylvie Testud) moves from Belgium back to her early-childhood home of Japan, where she starts working full time for a large corporation. But life as a foreigner proves difficult to navigate -- and Eastern office etiquette is nothing like what she's used to. French director Alain Corneau helms this Tokyo-based dramedy adapted from the autobiographical novel by Amélie Nothomb.

 

It's mildly entertaining.

 

Sam


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Friday, March 18, 2011 - 10:35pmSanction this postReply
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It is true that Japan is a high-context culture whose population values social harmony above all else. Therefore, the Japanese try to eliminate all possible disruptions to this harmony including the expression of emotions (verbally and nonverbally), "strong" words such as no, and any dissent whatsoever.
The number one rule in Japan, and in other collectivist cultures, is to conform to the group. To "sacrifice the little me to the big me," as an old Chinese/Japanese proverb declares.

The Japanese smile, laugh, cry, frown, cringe, etc. only when the situation calls for it and the surrounding majority are also doing it, when the situation doesn't and the majority isn't, all emotions are suppressed for the sake of the group.

Michael,

Perhaps another reason why Americans are not donating more is because many feel that they have already fulfilled their "philanthropic obligation" by previously donating to Haiti.


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Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 1:47pmSanction this postReply
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Kyle wrote,
Perhaps another reason why Americans are not donating more is because many feel that they have already fulfilled their "philanthropic obligation" by previously donating to Haiti.
Are you kidding me? The suggested contribution to Haiti was $10, same as the suggested contribution to Japan. Are Americans so unsympathetic to this kind of devastating tragedy that they can't manage another 10 bucks?

No, I don't think that's the reason at all. I suspect that the real reason is altruism. The Haitians are poor and underdeveloped; the Japanese, rich and productive.


(Edited by William Dwyer on 3/20, 1:52pm)


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Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 3:16pmSanction this postReply
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Bill,

No, I don't think that's the reason at all. I suspect that the real reason is altruism. The Haitians are poor and underdeveloped; the Japanese, rich and productive.
I agree that the reason we don't give to the Japanese is because they are rich and productive, but that is not altruism.

In altruism, the amount of proportional benefit someone receives is non-essential. What is essential to altruism is the amount of harm to yourself (i.e., the amount of sacrifice). In the 14 months between the 2 disasters, Americans have become more poor. Now, a $10 donation would be more of a sacrifice than it was 14 months ago (it would be more altruistic).

Ed


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Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 4:07pmSanction this postReply
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Michael:

International aid efforts are underway. But donations from Americans lag, compared to earthquake relief for Haiti last year.

Ceteris is never paribus.

Between Haiti and Japan we spun right past Chile and New Zealand with barely a notice.

Is it disaster fatigue? Is it our own cumulative limping along economy fatigue? Is it racism? Is it the perceived wealth of Japan? Is it a cultural connection between Haiti and the US that is locally stronger than the cultural connection to Japan? (That is really hard to believe given such a large US Japanese American population ...)

But pick a number for each influence, and add your own. We can find anecdotes to support any/all of those. How is any of that calibrated? It is all just fodder for going nowhere speculation.

For all we know, in a really strange way... is it an insult to Haitians, and a compliment to the Japanese?




(Edited by Fred Bartlett on 3/23, 6:52am)


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