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Friday, April 1, 2011 - 12:25pmSanction this postReply
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Sounds interesting.  However, Shermer should refuse to debate, asking: "Do you think I consider their question debatable?"


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Friday, April 1, 2011 - 2:04pmSanction this postReply
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Over the decades, I always understood Dagny's retort in the same way that I think you intend.  However, the last time I read it, less than a year ago, it occured to me that in addition to that problem, the question is not debatable.  And neither is this. 

The question there was "Is Rearden Metal a lethal product of greed?" 

Here it is actually a set of questions (according to the flyer): "Is Religion the Problem?  Is belief in God a menace to civilization, as the new atheists contend?  Would a secular world be a more rational, peaceful, and decent world? The rise of Islamic radicalism has caused many people to blame Islam in particular, and religion in general, for the rise of modern terrorism.  Historically, religion, and specifically Christianity, seem to  have produced persecution and bloodshed. But is this a fair characterization?"

Which of those are they debating?  None of them is actually in a forensic format.  I went to the National Forensic League website and found the questions given to national high school competitors back to 1939.  They have to be in a format and the words have to be definable.  "Is Religion the Problem" does not meet that criterion.  Like "greed" the word "problem" can mean anything or nothing.  (See http://www.nflonline.org/StudentResources/PastPolicyDebateTopics)


Moreover, I watched a YouTube video in which Dinesh D'Souza mopped the floor with Christopher Hitchens.  An atheist myself, of course, but also an Objectivist, I gave the match to D'Souza who claimed that all the deaths due to the Crusades and the Inquisition and the Witch Trials would not be one-tenth or even one percent of the horrors perpetrated by atheists Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong. 

The response from us, of course, is that Marxism is a religion. Hitchens thinks otherwise, apparently. 

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 4/01, 2:20pm)


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Friday, April 1, 2011 - 3:23pmSanction this postReply
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In addition, Dagny was not a professional polemicist making a career of getting the public to buy into her ideas as Shermer is.

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Friday, April 1, 2011 - 3:27pmSanction this postReply
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From what I hear, Hitchens remains sympathetic to Marxism whereas Shermer has become more sympathetic to free markets.

So I hope this debate against D'Souza goes better for Shermer than it did for Hitchens!

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Friday, April 1, 2011 - 4:36pmSanction this postReply
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As I understand it Hitchens and Shermer are both converts - Hitchens was once a Trotskyist, anti-Stalinist Socialist who became closely aligned with the NeoCons (while remaining strongly atheistic, "The real axis of evil is Christianity, Judaism, and Islam". It isn't clear if Hitchens' association with the NeoCons has shifted his economic views that much - he is what you might call a social libertarian (e.g., favors legalization of drugs.)

And Shermer was once a Christian, majoring in Christian Theology, who became an Atheist. Once a subscriber to a hodge-podge of pseudo-scientific claptrap he became a skeptic.

D'Souza has some pretty wacko religious ideas. He was raised Catholic but now calls himself an Evangelical Christian. I like some of what he wrote on Obama, "...[O]ur President is trapped in his father's time machine. Incredibly, the U.S. is being ruled according to the dreams of a Luo tribesman of the 1950s. This philandering, inebriated African socialist, who raged against the world for denying him the realization of his anticolonial ambitions, is now setting the nation's agenda through the reincarnation of his dreams in his son. The son makes it happen, but he candidly admits he is only living out his father's dream. The invisible father provides the inspiration, and the son dutifully gets the job done. America today is governed by a ghost."

He is sharp for a social conservative, "If one begins with the multicultural premise that all cultures are equal, then the world as it is makes very little sense. Some cultures have completely outperformed others in providing the things that all people seek -- health, food, housing, security and the amenities of life."


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