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Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 5:09pmSanction this postReply
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The Greek socialists certainly ruined the country.  The Greek people went along with it and encouraged them.  Before them, were The Colonels, fascist thugs.  Sure, they "encouraged" business and the country prospered. 

From TIME magazine, April 18, 1969.

RATHER like a stern father rewarding good behavior, Premier George Papadopoulos last week returned several previous liberties to the Greek people. He was observing both the Easter season and the second anniversary of the coup that ousted the previous government and brought Papadopoulos and his fellow army colonels to power. He was also trying to head off criticism of the Greek regime from the NATO ministers' meeting in Washington. Announced the Prime Minister: 1) freedom of assembly and association will be restored; 2) homes will be off limits to policemen without warrants; 3) press censorship will be reviewed; 4) some of the nearly 2,000 political exiles who have been held on Aegean islands may be brought home, and some government employees ousted by the regime will get their jobs back. Papadopoulos seemed not to notice one irony: the press conference revealing all these freedoms was held in the now vacant Senate chamber of the Parliament building in Athens. One freedom that the birthplace of democracy has not recovered is a democratic assembly.

Such subtleties apparently do not trouble Papadopoulos and his colonels because they are elementary men. Or so it seems, for in a complex world they are trying to forge an anachronistically simplistic nation. Long hair is now immoral for schoolboys; the government has ordered haircuts, and in some cases police wielded the shears themselves. Bouzouki tavernas, where high-spirited Greeks loved to smash crockery in time with the frenzied music, have been tamed: guests are no longer allowed to break even a single saucer. Miniskirts are forbidden for young girls, and bar girls are being discouraged. Government officials must attend church—other Greeks are urged to do so to build a nation of "Christian Greeks"—while anyone who publicly doubts God or the army may be held guilty of blasphemy.
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,844750,00.html#ixzz1QcNEB7Ad


The junta ruled until 1974.  Then the socialists took over.  In 30 years they created this mess, but it was hardly a surprise.

And think too, of nominally prosperous potentially vibrant little European countries like Slovenia and Slovakia now saddled with Greece's problems.  Ayn Rand was emotional in her condemnation of "balkanization."  Her points were cogent.  The contrary case, however, is that smaller, independent political entities spread the risk, rather than tying the successful to the failure-prone.

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 6/28, 5:19pm)


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Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 6:19pmSanction this postReply
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What an excellent example!

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Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 9:38amSanction this postReply
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I wouldn't go so far as to call the junta a bunch of free market guys. Last year one of the loan conditions set by the IMF was for Greece to abandon its policy of a medallion system for many professions (a fixed number of licenses for a particular business). This ranged from truck transportation companies, to architect and lawyers (whose fees were also fixed). If you wanted to start up your own trucking company in Greece, you had to buy an already existing company. This law dated back to the junta. If anything, the junta were just your typical fascists, creating a system of crony-capitalism and corruption.

Greece's debt as a percentage of annual GDP is 140%. The United States is around 100%, and congress is entertaining the idea of raising the debt ceiling. Greece has become the butt of jokes around the world, but he who cast the first stone...

The violence you see in these protests are not carried out by the civil servant unions, whose protests are more like those seen in Wisconsin. The violent thugs are instead a well-known anarchist group(s) that is taking advantage of the political and economic turmoil to spread their chaos.

Oddly, some people on this forum still like to romanticize anarchy. Well brother, this is what it looks like.



I actually ate at that McDonald's that jackass is vandalizing.


(Edited by John Armaos on 6/29, 10:12am)


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Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 3:32pmSanction this postReply
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For me the proper response of a government when people are rioting or looting is simple. If they are engaged in simple free assembly, or demonstrating, fine - no problem and they shouldn't restricted or interfered with. But anyone who is breaking a window, throwing rocks, attacking the cops or engaged in any kind of property damage or looting - shoot them.

Let the government put out the word the night before. Tell the people they have the right to march, to wave signs, to express their opinions, but not to damage any property. Make sure everyone knows that rioters and looters will be shot.



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Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 3:51pmSanction this postReply
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Steve, I am extremely anxious and upset over what's going on in Greece because with the exception of my siblings and my mother, my entire extended family lives in Greece. My first cousins in Crete run a successful greenhouse farm and have become quite wealthy, but now their vegetables and fruit are rotting because the general strike has prevented their produce from being transported to Athens and other ports throughout Europe. They plan on throwing their produce at the union dock workers who are on strike, I expect a melee is going to break out at the Iraklion docks.

Maybe I'm over-reacting, but I fear that my relatives will soon see a military strongman take over the government to quell the violence and chaos. 30 years of socialism has ruined the country, it will ruin ours too if things don't change soon enough.

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Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 4:35pmSanction this postReply
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John, I'm sorry to hear about your relatives that are at risk. I hope things go well for them. I agree that a strong-man type government is the most likely outcome and it is what is coming for us as well if we don't change directions. These are not good times.

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