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Saturday, September 17, 2011 - 8:27pmSanction this postReply
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Everything has causes.

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Saturday, September 17, 2011 - 9:41pmSanction this postReply
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The only way Jane Jacobs or anyone else can avoid being seen as a fool is to satisfactorily explain the context of "in this way."

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Saturday, September 17, 2011 - 10:26pmSanction this postReply
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Jane Jacobs was no fool - she was an extraordinarily brilliant woman.

I am just guessing that she was making the point that poverty is the absence of wealth, like the fact that there isn't at a small green troll sitting on your lap could be called trollessness, but that doesn't mean that the absence of the troll has a cause. The creation of wealth has causes. But the absence of a thing might not have a cause - It always would have an explanation or a reason but not necessarily a cause.

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Sunday, September 18, 2011 - 5:39amSanction this postReply
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I am just guessing that she was making the point that poverty is the absence of wealth, like the fact that there isn't at a small green troll sitting on your lap could be called trollessness, but that doesn't mean that the absence of the troll has a cause. The creation of wealth has causes. But the absence of a thing might not have a cause - It always would have an explanation or a reason but not necessarily a cause.
That's better than a guess. The last sentence of the quote is "Only prosperity has causes.”


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Sunday, September 18, 2011 - 6:20amSanction this postReply
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I see your point, Steve. Thanks

Sam


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Sunday, September 18, 2011 - 8:51amSanction this postReply
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I agree with Mike's wording (and Steve's explanation).

For most of man's history, the estimated global GDP per capita was about 400 U.S. dollars (in 1990 "purchasing power"). Man, with very little in the way of technology, property rights, rule of law, etc. -- i.e., just hunting, gathering, gardening, and bartering -- makes about $400 a year. Living on $400 a year is the background (baseline) condition for man on earth. What is left to be explained then, are those times when man lives on more or less than that. For instance, there are places on earth now, where man -- an average man -- lives on more than 100 times that historical baseline amount.

That's what needs explaining.

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Sunday, September 18, 2011 - 9:11amSanction this postReply
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Mike,

Along the lines of your blog, in 1200 CE in England, GDP per capita was -- as you may have already guessed -- $400 per year. The murder rate back then was over 20/100,000 per year. Did the poverty cause the crime, or the crime the poverty?

Global GDP per capita -- an average that adds the poorest folks in the world to the richest --  is now over $6000 a year (in terms of 1990 "purchasing power"). That's a global average that is over 15 times higher than humanity's baseline.  Incidentally, the murder rate in England is about 1/100,000 now (it dropped by a factor of 20).

If you ask me, we're richer now because we're murdering less (rather than the other way around).

:-)

Ed

(Edited by Ed Thompson on 9/18, 9:13am)


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Sunday, September 18, 2011 - 6:56pmSanction this postReply
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Ed, it is complicated, and deserving of an encyclopedic reply.  Easily, as we gained more knowledge, we got smarter.  Trade and commerce ascended; the "warrior" or "guardian" mode was not the only road. 

I point to Christianity, and Buddhism, and other religions as offering alternatives to the un-questioned and un-thought-about.  We here as Objectivists have a better answer, now.  But appreciate the stunning challenges which those religions to the status quo of the time.

In The Peloponnesian War by Thucydides is the famous story of a small town that presumed to resist Athens.  (Melos or Thalos, I forget which.)  And the Athenians surrounded the town and demanded their surrender.  The old men of the town met the generals. "We demand justice," the town elders said. "How can you act contrary to natural law?"  The Athenians laughed.  "The law of nature is that the weak submit to the strong.  Your cries are like the cries of hare in the clutches of the eagle.  We oppress you because we can."  (Where is Aristotle when you need him?) 

So, to ask people to turn the other cheek, to forgive trespasses, to love your enemy, was radical.  It changed the way people acted.  Over a thousand years - 30 generations - eventually, other questions were asked.  Here we are.

Yes, when we stopped killing, we prospered; and as we prospered, we stopped killing each other.  There is no "cause," (one first, then the other) but, truly, both happened together. 

See here about the Cruikshank notes. People were hanged for counterfeiting the Bank of England notes, essentially a violation not of the King's rights, but of copyright.  We gave that up, coincident with the Industrial Revolution.

Also, from that period, I point out that deporting London's criminals to America and Australia allowed the bobbies of 1829 to be unarmed.  That in turn influenced the criminals of London to abandon firearms. 

All of that is to say, it is not simply linear that this caused that versus that causing this.  They interacted.


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