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Sunday, November 4, 2012 - 2:15pmSanction this postReply
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I enjoyed her fiction more than her non-fiction (however, I haven't read much of her non-fiction).

Which book do you think would be best for someone who has just discovered Rand?

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 - 2:24pmSanction this postReply
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I started with The Virtue of Selfishness followed immediately by Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal.

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 - 4:38pmSanction this postReply
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From Wendy Milling's piece in Forbes:
"The productive geniuses are what keep 300 million people from starvation and exposure, not the government."

What a false alternative. What ignorance of the capitalist economic system. What disconnection from reality. Of the piece more generally, what ignorance of the history of philosophy and what a misrepresentation of Rand's philosophy. With friends like this, . . .

True, good points against the political opponent were made. But, yuk.

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 - 7:55pmSanction this postReply
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"Objectivism is a philosophy for winners, leaders, producers, creators, alpha males and females and those on their way. It is a philosophy for people with self-respect, self-loyalty, self-confidence, self-esteem, and independence."

this is not a good part in an otherwise generally good piece

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Monday, November 5, 2012 - 5:07amSanction this postReply
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Could the naysayers please elucidate exactly why you said what you said?

I see that Harry Binswanger of ARI complimented the author in the comments section. That could be good or bad depending on your opinion of him. But I thought it noteworthy.

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Monday, November 5, 2012 - 6:28pmSanction this postReply
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Luke,

The world's security against starvation and exposure, such as it has, is a result of the factors of economics, land and labor, where the latter includes productive genius, and of the legal framework that makes capitalism possible. It is in two words free producers who make that security possible. That includes, every day, mountains of intelligence, intelligent labor ventured on raw material and on products produced from it.

The intelligent producer is not the equivalent of a productive genius. Even someone so intelligently creative as Hank Rearden was not called a genius by Rand, as I recall. There was a purposeful intelligence even more rare that was and is genius.

OK, so don't call every highly intelligent creator a genius. But beyond that is the real beef and the real economic ignorance of Ms. Milling. It is not some handful of the most intelligent risk-taking producers who make the world's security against starvation and exposure. No more than it is some handful of people who make a locomotive. The people who save money in a savings-and-lending bank provide some of the money for productive ventures. They are among those who secure the world. The welders and electricians, and the police, they too are among those who secure the world against starvation and exposure. The farmer and the harvester, they too. And so forth on and on, and so my fury at the Forbes piece with its head in economic la-la land and eyes wide shut to the legions of producers in the real world and to their moral significance.

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Monday, November 5, 2012 - 6:35pmSanction this postReply
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Stephen, perhaps you could share a briefer version of your critique in the comments section of the cited article if you have not done so already. It is an intelligent and well-reasoned one. I would be interested in seeing what kinds of responses it would generate. Thank you for taking the time to write it here.

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Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 1:40pmSanction this postReply
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Both views are correct.

It is true, as Stephen says, that we keep ourselves alive by being productive. If genius were even rarer than it is, progress would only be slower.  We suffer losses when our products are taken from us.  Whether kings or barbarians, it makes no difference to the victim who it was that stole the fruits of their labor. 

In a complex society - in any city these past 10,000 years - every special skill is necessary or it would not exist.  If not for the refuse collectors, an army of doctors could not keep us healthy.

But it is an error to assume that the keeping of good sewers is the same thing as the discovery of anatomy and physiology or of germs, bacteria, and viruses, or of vitamins.

France in the 1600s had a "telegraph" system, a network of semaphores for conveying important messages. It did little to promote anyone's welfare.  Two hundred years later, the electric telegraph did just that.  Again, as Stephen noted, the myriad spinoffs were the relatively small achievements of a great many people. I suggest just one from an interest area of my own: cryptography.  To save money and assure some privacy, companies developed 5-digit (or five-letter) codes for transmitting financial and commercial information to and from agents abroad.  This in part lead eventually to Claude Shannon's information theory.  But without Galvani, Volta, Coulumb, Faraday and Morse, none of that could have happened. 

Genius is rare. When perhaps 100,000 of us or fewer walked the Earth, a new idea might come every three generations, maybe.  We know that stone tools were remarkably (or unremarkably) constant across the homo erectus span, including as well the Neanderthals and even Cro-Magnon ... until the micro-lithic revolution of the New Stone Age...   I have posted here about the origins of writing.  It took thousands of years - 100 generations, perhaps more - to change little clay tokens into cuneiform symbols for them. And the process was not gradual, but a set of quantum leaps. Until even art became an ordered narrative that we take for granted, as if it were natural. Genius is rare.

But, as both Ayn Rand and Ludwig von Mises pointed out, the creator is not engaged in economic production: the creator pursues a personal truth, even as other people reject it. ...until they decide that they really needed it all along... 

That said, perhaps the real glory of capitalism is that to whatever extent each of us owns that spark of creativity, we are only less than but not different from DaVinci or Franklin or Edison.  Ayn Rand is known best for glorifying the titans, but anyone who actually reads her books meets just as many common people with titantic virtues.  That itself may be another of Rand's very many underappreciated innovations.  The millions of us who read her fiction saw ourselves in her heroes: we learned to appreciate our economic labor as creative effort. Regardless of which meaning of "Java Beans" applies to your work, without the conscious application of mind, it would not exist.

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 11/07, 2:24pm)


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Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 3:37pmSanction this postReply
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Absolutely agree with what Michael P. said. I imagine anyone who has a less-than-good understanding of Objectivism would read this and assume that Objectivism is an elitist philosophy.

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Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 8:26pmSanction this postReply
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I agree that the quote:
"Objectivism is a philosophy for winners, leaders, producers, creators, alpha males and females and those on their way. It is a philosophy for people with self-respect, self-loyalty, self-confidence, self-esteem, and independence."
... is "imperfect." A more perfect quote would more perfectly stress the phrase "and those on their way" -- in order to prevent instigating some basic fears (us vs. them, good enough vs. not good enough, etc.) in the general audience. For instance, the quote can be interpreted as saying that you have to get all of this stuff together -- self-respect, self-confidence, independence, etc. -- before you can embark on the process of organizing your life around the true and good principles of Objectivism. That's a catch-22. You have to be this great self-made man, first -- this John Galt type of person -- and then and only then is the philosophy for you. This wrong thinking is what I refer to as John Galt Syndrome, and it has the capability of keeping many, many people away from Objectivism.

I'm not diagnosing the author with John Galt Syndrome, I'm only saying that the essay imperfectly communicated the merits of Objectivism.

Ed

p.s. Notice how when I talk about perfect vs. imperfect (which are some pretty harsh words) I am talking about specific, optional, choices made in the past. If something is specific, it's not overwhelming. If something is optional, you can improve it. If something is a choice, another choice is possible. If something is in the past, it can be done differently in the present or the future. Harsh words have a purpose, like sharp knives do. But, like sharp knives, they should be used with care. All that being said, I think Milling's essay did more good than harm -- and a couple imperfections doesn't change that for me.


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Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 6:17amSanction this postReply
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The central ethical tenet of Objectivism -- that the individual human organism constitutes the ultimate value for that organism -- makes the philosophical "sell" both easy and hard. It is easy because people generally have a natural inclination toward self-preservation. It is hard because tribal altruism has had a long and entrenched history in human life. People whose souls have been worn by decades of altruistic drubbing will have a hard time getting "on their way" and so find the article's tone off-putting. This explains why Ayn Rand appeals more to the young than the old. They have not had their souls as worn as their elders have and so can better see the light of Objectivism.

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Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 2:26pmSanction this postReply
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C'mon, folks!  Look, if you think that you can do better, then you send something to Forbes and have it appear.  Wendy Milling often contributes to their "Currency Flows" featured opinions (or opionated features).  She writes from an explicitlly Objectivist position.  (You can argue whether or not she is "really" an Objectivist according your own preferences.)  She does a good job. 

Arguing about the opinions of an unnamed collective is pointless.  No ovjective referent exists for what some people or other people will make or not of this paragraph or some other.

The bottom line here is that I did not say better what I wish she would have said for me if I had said it, which I did not:  the work stands on its merits.


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Friday, November 9, 2012 - 4:43amSanction this postReply
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I agree with MEM. That this got published at all is somewhat miraculous. That the author writes regularly for a mainstream magazine from an Objectivist viewpoint is even more miraculous. The world needs more regularly published authors like this one.

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Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 7:04amSanction this postReply
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MEM,

To defend Stephen, Michael P., and myself -- we all recognized good in this piece while being critical. Speaking for myself, I agree with you and Luke that it's great to have positive public exposure.

Ed


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Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 5:41amSanction this postReply
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Stephen:

Indeed; it is all of us who make the effort to run uphill, no matter how far.

And that is not to say, all of us who actually make it up the hill, no matter how far; it is the human effort to run uphill that helps overcome this universe's built-in tendency to collect everything up at the bottom of all hills, eventually, to a dim 3 deg K cloud of nothingness.

But that aside, Rand's was a defense of running uphill, and especially, not demonizing those who run far uphill because they are able. That is as irrational as demonizing those who slide downhill because they are unable.

The reasons we do either are important; there are other ways to get uphill than simply from creative effort, and there are other ways to slide downhill than simply from incompetence. There are plenty of folks making heroic effort who yet slide downhill, and there are plenty of folks, for example, making little effort other than participating in rigged games of risk shed onto others who are gliding uphill. Our up/down hilledness is a terribly inaccurate gauge of virtue, and always has been, but it is as nonsensical when the fact of being successful is used to indict as it is when the fact of having failed is used to grant sainthood and virtue.

The bottom of the hill has plenty of advocates granting it unearned carte blanche virtue; hers was a lone voice defending the freedom that used to exist on their path to the top of the hill. As well, Rand was forcefully arguing for a set of ethics that separated the wheat from the chaff; her art was clearly not a blind worship of successful businessmen but rather a critical illumination of the paths to that success. She was clearly not, for example, an admirer of running to the purchasable guns of state as a short cut-- not by businesses, and not by unions.

regards,
Fred

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Monday, November 12, 2012 - 12:23amSanction this postReply
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The writer says, "Objectivism is a philosophy for winners, leaders, producers, creators, alpha males and females and those on their way." This makes it sound like Objectivism is only for the exceptional achiever. It's not. It's a philosophy for everyone, no matter what his or her level of ability. Rand was quite explicit about this.

Binswanger praised this piece? That's unfortunate, because despite its virtues (including the insightful quote from Galt's speech), the article's emphasis and tone give a misleading picture of Rand and her philosophy.

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Monday, November 12, 2012 - 1:55pmSanction this postReply
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Binswanger had something to say about that part on HBL

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Monday, November 12, 2012 - 10:58pmSanction this postReply
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What specifically did he say about it Michael?

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Monday, November 12, 2012 - 11:57pmSanction this postReply
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"More accurately, Objectivism promotes and protects success, productiveness, creativity— those values, to whatever extent they are found in anyone. Objectivism does not divide society into two classes and speak to only one of them. In this sense, Objectivism is also a philosophy “for” losers—that is, it tells losers, too, what they should do (be rational) and what an absolute, unforgiving reality has in store for them if they don't. I think what the column intends to say is that Objectivism, unlike altruism, is not geared to failure. It does not place failure at the apex of its value hierarchy, does not subordinate everything to the “needs” of the clingers and slackers. Objectivism is a philosophy championing successful living and identifies the requirements of that (reason and freedom)."

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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - 6:06amSanction this postReply
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"Objectivism does not divide society into two classes and speak to only one of them."

Incidentally, Michael Reagan was on Fox yesterday saying how Ronald Reagan did exactly that, with his "beacon on a shining hill" speech, didn't speak different things to different people, but the same thing to a united people...

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