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Saturday, July 9, 2005 - 7:23amSanction this postReply
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In emergency situations, should the laws of supply and demand be suspended?   After the bombings in Britain this weekend hotels jacked up their prices. Was there anything immoral about this?

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Saturday, July 9, 2005 - 9:39amSanction this postReply
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Already have that discussion going: here

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Monday, July 11, 2005 - 6:36pmSanction this postReply
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I deny the validity of "lifeboat" problems.  Ayn Rand tried to write around the problem by complaining that liberals put people in lifeboats and that normal life is not being in a lifeboat.  Actually, normal life is being in a lifeboat.

Every minute of every day is a life and death crisis.  That is what makes morality, is it not?  Using free will, we act according to our values to achieve that which we seek to gain and/or keep.  An indestructible robot would be amoral by definition.

A so-called lifeboat is just a more stark moment, hugely different in quantity perhaps but not in quality from so-called everyday life.

What would you do if you were on a lifeboat and ...?
You mean, like if I were on a city bus and I were late for an appointment, would I have the right to commandeer the bus, or would the people have the right to vote that I must miss my stop so that the majority of them could make theirs? 

That is the reductio ad absurdem of lifeboat problems.

 How much of an emergency is enough of an "emergency" to override the rules of objective (i.e., Objectivist) morality?

(The free market is fine as long as it works fairly, but the government must step in when economic entities become too powerful.  Normally, we are in favor of competition, but too much competition, or not enough of it, are alike temporary economic lifeboats, and under those circumstances, normal recognition of rights must be abrogated.)

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 7/11, 6:39pm)


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Monday, July 11, 2005 - 9:10pmSanction this postReply
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Michael:

"The free market is fine as long as it works fairly, but the government must step in when economic entities become too powerful.  Normally, we are in favor of competition, but too much competition, or not enough of it, are alike temporary economic lifeboats, and under those circumstances, normal recognition of rights must be abrogated."

Are you serious, or is this a quote from some other source that you are arguing against?

Sam

 


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Monday, July 11, 2005 - 11:28pmSanction this postReply
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Sam,

Michael's post was critical of the idea of lifeboats. Given that context I think it should be fairly obvious that his parenthetical was an example of the kind of thinking that accepting the lifeboat hypothesis leads to.

For a professional writer, Michael surely can be quite unclear at times.

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Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 7:52amSanction this postReply
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Being in a lifeboat means there is a price yet to be paid by you regarding actions you may or may not take. If you knowingly violate someone else's rights, that's a price. If someone else violates yours, that's a price. If you are passive and a loved one therefore dies, that's--even worse? The situation is not static but fluid and evolving; the options are few. Sometimes life just sucks.

--Brant


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Friday, July 15, 2005 - 5:48amSanction this postReply
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Sam, obviously, the last parenthetical comment was a strawman.  The fact that the "lifeboat" argument can be used to justify predatrory political action is another indication that the premise is faulty.
 
Rick, if you ever do not understand something I wrote, feel free to post a question. 
 
I searched SOLO for "Lifeboat" and "emergency" and combinations of those words.  The topic has been addressed before. At this point, anyone familiar with the works of Ayn Rand has all the information they need to decide whether or not "lifeboat situations" are an ethical fallacy which Ayn Rand failed to address correctly.


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Friday, July 15, 2005 - 7:14amSanction this postReply
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Michael:

As Gilda Radner would have said ... "Nevermind."

Sam


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