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Post 20

Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 3:05pmSanction this postReply
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William writes:
>I do not think there is any other rational objective meaning of "absolute" other than contextual...

William, this is a fallacy. There quite clearly *is* a rational and objective meaning of "absolute" other than contextual. It is extremely commonplace.

That is, we may *hypothetically postulate* an absolute that we may one day achieve (or alternatively may not - we don't know). "Omniscience" is not a requirement for such absolutes; that is an entirely mistaken argument.

For example, "absolute zero" in physics, which we think exists theoretically (tho we may be wrong) but which we haven't achieved in practice yet. It is also postulated that we may never reach it physically (this might also be wrong).

It is perfectly reasonable to make such hypotheses and set such standards; we do it all the time. "Omniscience" doesn't enter into it. Moreover such theoretical absolutes are highly useful, as it gives us a standard to shoot for, even if we never get it (tho we might).

To the contrary, it is this alleged "contextual absolute" that I regard as a verbalist mistake and mostly useless. as that would simply mean whatever you know at the time is "absolute". For example, if you could only get to - 35 C cos that was the best you could do given your knowledge at the time, you could declare that as "absolute zero". Well, whoop-de-doo. As I demonstrated above, the only thing absolute about the "contextually absolute" is that you can say it about *absolutely anything*. (Ironically, this unwittingly opens the door to relativism).

- Daniel

Post 21

Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 5:22pmSanction this postReply
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"Absolute zero" is the manifestation of a mathematical non-real -- as the universe, by its nature, is dynamic... meaning nothing is absolutely still... :-)
(Edited by robert malcom on 9/10, 5:24pm)


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Monday, September 12, 2005 - 10:35amSanction this postReply
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moderator since my very first message was deleted please unregister me from this forum

Post 23

Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 8:17amSanction this postReply
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I'm not the moderator, but it must have been pretty bad. Under moderation, for the third time I think, I've never had a single word of any of my posts deleted nor have any of my posts failed to be put through. Not once has a moderator asked my to rewrite anything nor have any posts that caused my moderation been deleted or modified subsequent to being put up except by me. Any new poster should realize that the first ten posts are automatically moderated.

--Brant

(Edited by Brant Gaede on 9/13, 8:40pm)


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Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 5:09pmSanction this postReply
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I think the mods should come up with a humorous/moronic stories board where they post the shit from those who are instantly banned.

Post 25

Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 5:20pmSanction this postReply
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Sadly Jody, this sounds like a great idea.

---Landon


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Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 8:48pmSanction this postReply
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Brant,

Now you've made me curious too.

In my short time here I've seen missionaries and insults and wackos among other things, and it had to be a chronic problem before moderation happened. At the risk of starting another thread about the banning nonsense, the mods have put up with a lot of crap. Was this just a technical hiccup or did something unspeakable really happen?

Edit: Unless this is a fairly common occurrence and the others just don't make a post like this. Hmmm.

Sarah

(Edited by Sarah House
on 9/13, 8:49pm)


Post 27

Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 7:47amSanction this postReply
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Sarah, a lot of would be posters just show up to dump garbage and spam and the initial moderation policy means you and I don't have to see it. Also, blatant trolls. For this I am grateful, but the mods have to read it, so our thanks to them.

--Brant


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Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 4:23pmSanction this postReply
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I saw the original in the queue, along with this "goodbye" message. None of the moderators had a chance to see the first message before the second was written, demanding to be deleted. Funny stuff.

Post 29

Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 5:51pmSanction this postReply
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Joe,

I believe the chore of moderation here falls on your shoulders, right?  If so, my kudos for executing a thankless job with commonsense.  What more can any reasonable person expect other than commonsense?  A lot of complex rules for due process?  Give me a break.  I'm sick of Monday morning quarterbacks who would have this or that pretty little rule to second guess someone who is willing to make a judgment and stand by it.

Andy


Post 30

Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 6:08pmSanction this postReply
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Andy-
I don't think anyone here was second-guessing Joe.  I personally just think it would be funny as hell to read some of the inanities that he has to wade through.  It would be better than the Darwin Awards.


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Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 6:24pmSanction this postReply
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Agreed again Jody.

---Landon


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Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 6:38pmSanction this postReply
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I sometimes skim through The Autonomist forum and I just came across a thread where a poster named "god" said that he made one post to Solo (Sept. 12) and asked to have his name removed (Sept. 13) .

Might be "god" doing a disappearing act.

Michael
(Edited by Michael Stuart Kelly on 9/14, 6:39pm)


Post 33

Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 6:43pmSanction this postReply
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Eww, I read the roster for that group and avoided it like the plague.

---Landon


Post 34

Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 5:20amSanction this postReply
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Jody,

I didn't mean to imply you were second-guessing Joe on his moderation decisions.  Before joining up with SOLO I did some reading first.  At the time the forum was mired in a moderation controversy and Joe posted SOLO's position on moderating grandstanders.  I thought it was the epitome of commonsense, yet he was subjected to a lot of carping about it and other decisions.  I was referring to that.

Andy


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Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 7:25amSanction this postReply
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Andy-
Makes sense now.  Thanks for the response.


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