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Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 3:35pmSanction this postReply
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I've just finished reading Atlas Shrugged.  While I didn't find it particularly well-written in a literary sense, it has turned me on to Objectivism.  I've been lurking on this forum trying to get more acquainted with the concepts of the philosophy, and hoping to pick up on additional reading that would be helpful to me in making a decision on whether or not to adopt this as a way of living.  Any advice would be much appreciated.  If you can respond to each of the queries below, that would be great, too.  If your answer is to tell me a particular book or article to read, I will not be offended. 

What does Objectivism have to say about the following:

1.  The Federal Reserve System and US Banking?
2.  Parenting?
3.  Scientology?
4.  Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, and such?
5.  Marriage?
6.  Public education vs. private but faith-based education?


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Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 5:51pmSanction this postReply
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Welcome to RoR!

For books I recommend any of Rand's non-fiction works and also recommend Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand by Leonard Peikoff.

A great deal of information is available online, Here, and of course through many other places such as the Ayn Rand Institute and The Atlas Society's Objectivist Center. This and other sites are available on the link page.

What I really recommend is checking out www.importanceofphilosophy.com by Joe Rowlands and Jeff Landauer. Joe created this site as well. It has a wealth of easy to read information.

A few quick answers:

1. The Federal Reserve System and US Banking?

Objectivist philosphy rejects government regulation of the economy. The explanations are many and detailed.

2.  Parenting?

Parenting is great, if you choose to have kids and be a parent. I love it :-)

3.  Scientology?

Not much said in Objectivist literature, but as a groiup committing fraud and steped in mysticism it is rejected.

4.  Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, and such?

Not real. Tell your kids or don't. Several threads on this site about just that. I suggest searching them out using the search feature and reading them.

5.  Marriage?

Mostly what's said is that it should be a legal contract. The state has no say in who you marry and what the stipulations of the contract are.

6.  Public education vs. private but faith-based education?

Public education is bad as people are forced to fund it whether they use it or not. It's also bad for many other reasons. Many are detailed in discussion and articles here. Private education is whatever you'd like to have. You can send your ids to faith-based schools. Objectivists disagree with religion and faith, but respect the right of people to choose whatever they like.


Ethan


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Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 6:22pmSanction this postReply
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Welcome Deanna!

I pretty much agree with Ethan on the points you raise.

I'll add that one of the best sources of material for those new to Objectivism is Joe Rowland's Objectivism-101 site:
http://objectivism101.com/

Joe started Rebirth of Reason (as a reformed version of SOLOhq) and Obj-101 is does a great job of explaining various concepts. You can also find a lot of this material in Joe's posts on this site.

Also I'm executive director of The Atlas Society and it's academic/phliosophical division, The Objectivist Center:
http://www.objectivistcenter.org/

I call you attention to our section about the philosophy:
http://www.objectivistcenter.org/cth-30-1563-Objectivism.aspx

and our FAQ section:
http://www.objectivistcenter.org/cth-32-1330-FAQ.aspx

Again, welcome to the discussion. I hope you find your time here education, informative and inspirational!


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Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 7:28pmSanction this postReply
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If your answer is to tell me a particular book or article to read, I will not be offended. 

At the security of not offending yourself, I will provide an article and suggest a book or two:

Excellent article on the benefits of Objectivism:
http://rebirthofreason.com/Objectivism/Applying_Objectivism/benefits.shtml

Recommended readings:
"For the New Intellectual"
"Virtue of Selfishness"
"Philosophy: Who Needs it"

And then, when you are ready for some serious neuro-visual upgrades:
"Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology"


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Monday, August 28, 2006 - 5:54amSanction this postReply
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These two, as Warren said:

"Virtue of Selfishness"
"Philosophy: Who Needs it" (**especially this one, my personal favorite**)

Something else that really helps is to actually get to know real live Objectivists that live around you.  You'll be surprized at how varied they are in character and personality.  Fun loving people too.

Search for clubs or groups in your area, make some new friends, and learn as much as you can. :)


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Monday, August 28, 2006 - 6:44amSanction this postReply
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I also recommend my own article here:

http://rebirthofreason.com/Articles/Dawe/Thoughts_for_the_Neophyte_Objectivist.shtml

Ethan


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Monday, August 28, 2006 - 7:27amSanction this postReply
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Deanna, allow me to toot my own horn here while hopefully helping you.  Read my article at

http://rebirthofreason.com/Articles/Setzer/Table_of_Contents_for_The_Vision-Driven_Life.shtml

and consider joining the Yahoo! Group discussion list linked there.  Read the first chapters already posted in the message archives there and do the exercises.  This may help you more readily to integrate Objectivism at the spiritual, emotional, mental and physical levels.


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Monday, August 28, 2006 - 9:28amSanction this postReply
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Thank you, Ethan.

To clarify regarding education, where I live these are the only two options - public education and faith-based private education, mostly Catholic schools.  Given the two, which would be considered the lesser evil?  On the one hand, my child will get a poor education in a potential physically harmful environment.  On the other, he will get a good education in a safer physical environment, but will be taught and expected to follow a religion to which I don't subscribe.


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Monday, August 28, 2006 - 9:33amSanction this postReply
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Hi Deanna,

You should look carefully at both. I'd probably recommend the Catholic school if it's safer, but be prepared for de-programming at home.

Ethan


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Monday, August 28, 2006 - 9:46amSanction this postReply
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I have alot of friends who attended private Catholic schools. Some were jewish and some protestant by birth but agnostic or atheist by practice. Unless a child is particularly vulnerable and looking for something to cling to, I think most will be unnaffected by the attempt at indoctrination. But I attended public schools so that is merely my hypothesis! 

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Monday, August 28, 2006 - 9:50amSanction this postReply
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Another option:

Home schooling. You can teach yourself or hire someone, and it's legal in all states. Some states have more rigid requirements than others, but it's an option in all states.

http://www.hslda.org/laws/default.asp

(Edited by Teresa Summerlee Isanhart on 8/28, 9:51am)


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Monday, August 28, 2006 - 10:08amSanction this postReply
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To clarify regarding education, where I live these are the only two options - public education and faith-based private education, mostly Catholic schools. 
I am faced with the same dillema. The public schools in my neighborhood are so bad that going there is out of question. The private schools in my city are also mostly associated with churches. However, many of them do not have any religious teachings in their curriculum. They may have a generic chapel and have a generic prayer, but religion is not in the curriculum at all. Actually, many academically good private schools are like that. Because in order to be accredited by the National Independent School Association, a secular curriculum is a requirement, I believe. Of course, there are many really faith-based schools and they are usually openly declared. So, don't be put off simply by schools with names containing Parish, Episcopal, St. Rita, or St. Mark. Look more carefully into their curriculums. Those with a complete secular curriculum should be better than bad public schools.


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