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Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 1:39pmSanction this postReply
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I am looking for a good "mainstream" book offering a lay view of objective knowledge that a reasonably intelligent high school student can grasp.

I am shying away from Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology (ITOE) as I consider it overkill for that age group.

My video "Dual Enrollment versus NCSSM" (search YouTube) leads me to want to create a similar video to complement my article on the "North Carolina Governor's School Experience" (search archives of this site).

Basically, I want to show a much more productive way to spend the summer than in a state education program that wanks gloriously with postmodernism.

I have many other ideas but a good, accessible, widely accepted book on objective knowledge theory would help immensely.

Is there even such a thing?

(Edited by Luke Setzer on 1/11, 2:19pm)


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Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 1:44pmSanction this postReply
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Maybe Asimov. Some righters like him show how objective knowledge is possible. Look for books on the scientific method.

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Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 1:56pmSanction this postReply
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Man thats tough. I know Heinlein touches on some points. Starship troopers has some good ones. As for nonfiction, I'm not sure such a thing exists. Maybe we have the workings of a new task here.

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Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 2:17pmSanction this postReply
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Objectivity is the common-sense point of view. It wouldn't need to be taught until attacks were encountered, usually in college. What subjects did you want to see addressed? Is inspiring intellectual pursuits part of it? Maybe something in the history of ideas.

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Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 2:18pmSanction this postReply
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From the program's Web site about its curriculum:

AREA I [Chosen Discipline]

Area I classes in the academics and the arts emphasize contemporary texts, compositions, artistic expressions, issues, ideas and the theories that flow from them. Study in each Area I discipline emphasizes theory over the memorization of fact, particularly contemporary theories that stimulate innovative thought in a rapidly changing culture. Courses are designed to stimulate student creativity, move students to explore basic assumptions, explore unanswered questions, and develop an acceptance of the process of change. [...]

AREA II [Epistemology]

Each student attends another class comprised of students from each of the Area I disciplines. Here students and teachers explore connections between and among these disciplines. As integrative concepts emerge, the class attempts to construct an understanding of contemporary ways of thinking and of the culture that arises from them. [...]

AREA III [Psychology and Sociology]

This third class is also comprised of students from each of the Area I disciplines. Here students attempt to ground what they are learning in their Area I and II classes in their own personal experience. Finally, they apply that understanding to their social worlds; that is, they try to discover links between ideas and actions, theory and practice.


This sounds dandy to the untrained reader. However, hints at postmodernism come from phrases like "the class attempts to construct an understanding," etc., i.e. reality as a social construct. So I want to develop a way for a "gifted" student to get the benefits of the program without the detriments.

Dual enrollment has grown in popularity in that state so I have made contact with people there to learn if students can do that during the summer. If so, my video will suggest that students register for an 11 week summer school program at their local community colleges with a course in each of those three areas. Concurrently, a reading of the book I seek would help them to ground all the learned knowledge to reality. Perhaps most tangibly, they would have earned nine credit hours of community college credit readily transferable to any state university and many private colleges. Intangibly, they can stay at home with their parents and keep themselves more grounded to reality than they ever could at Governor's School!

I am in a tiny minority of graduates of the Governor's School program who speak negatively of it. Most of my cohorts loved it and recommended it to others. But they loved it more for its social atmosphere than its academic benefit. I am not that sociable but would have tolerated the lack of privacy and spoken well of the program had I considered the academic side meritorious. I did not and do not.

I may consider referring to ITOE after all given the lack of comparable books. On a positive note, I see on the Area II page of the site that they now include excerpts from Philosophy: Who Needs It by Ayn Rand. But that pearl seems awash and buried in a tidal wave of pig excrement.

My main beefs come from the program's evasion of the contextual and hierarchical nature of knowledge, its scattershot left-leaning curriculum, and its appeal to emotions as tools of cognition. Please review the site to corroborate or refute my accusations so we can discuss further. I especially look forward to the assessment from Mindy Newton.

I will most likely include a blurb in the video instructing those of faith who choose to attend the program to read the Summa Theologica by Thomas Aquinas to hone their scholastics before their Area II professor hammers them!

I frankly considered those sorts of ambushes the most unfair aspect of the program. I will not defend faith but will defend the right of others to practice theirs. Taxpayers should question having their tax dollars spent on these sorts of instruction methods.

(Edited by Luke Setzer on 1/11, 3:01pm)


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Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 2:26pmSanction this postReply
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The Natural Science section of the local library.

This is good:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/HFrame.html

I'm sure there's a wealth of stuff like that on-line.

I like Asimov too.

Nothing teaches objectivity like doing a basic physics experiment and proving to yourself first hand that the laws of physics aren't some made up thing like the tooth fairy or santa claus.

I have a very good general intro to physics textbook. From the preface: "The basic goal of this introductory algebra-based physics textbook...: to help students see the world through eyes that know physics."

"PHYSICS" Douglas C. Giancoli

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Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 2:27pmSanction this postReply
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There is Kelley's The Art of Reasoning...

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Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 2:55pmSanction this postReply
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Luke,
I read the overview and the curriculum pages, as well as the Home page. Sounds like a lot of wrong-minded hype to me.
The emphasis on the latest thing in theory, and the goal of finding some sort of cross-connections, plus the oft-stated goal of preparing the student emotionally to accept unspecified change all signal the worst both in intentions and as to the probable effect on students.
Gifted students want access to advanced studies, close contact with experts, and the company of others with the same interests and knowledge.  They want time to devote to their favorite subject, and feedback for their original thinking, which requires people knowledeable in that field.
Good luck in combatting this sort of thing!


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Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 3:35pmSanction this postReply
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I second Robert's Art of Reasoning recommendation. It's pretty easy to read, even though it's a textbook.

I ran a search on Amazon for "objectivity," and there's an intriguing book by that name authored by Daston and Galison. The book charts the emergence of objectivity in the 1800s. Anyone read it? Check out the rest of the Amazon "objectivity" list here:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=objectivity&x=0&y=0

Jordan

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Monday, January 12, 2009 - 11:15amSanction this postReply
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Ted, Mike,

What of Asimov's work did you have in mind?

jt

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Monday, January 12, 2009 - 3:26pmSanction this postReply
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Here's a list of Asimov's essays that are on point:

http://www.asimovonline.com/oldsite/Essays/rationality.html

Jordan

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Monday, January 12, 2009 - 8:55pmSanction this postReply
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Jay,
I liked "Asimov on Science", "Asimov on Physics", "Asimov on Chemistry". I still have the chemistry book around here someplace.

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Monday, January 12, 2009 - 9:13pmSanction this postReply
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Sorry, I last read Asimov in 1980. I just remember he was wonderfully clear.

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Monday, January 12, 2009 - 11:24pmSanction this postReply
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Also have Asimov's Guide to Science - the thing is, science has moved along so much since those books came out, only the basics are not outdated - tho for beginning, that is fine in teaching..

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Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 11:41amSanction this postReply
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Thanks, all.

I shall do some more reading : )

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 8:02amSanction this postReply
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I added the link for My Philosophy Kit to the RoR Web directory and paid the $29 fee for one year of access.

The opening chapter talks about logic.

It looks like a decent primer for the uninitiated without beating them over the head with technical jargon.

(Edited by Luke Setzer on 1/21, 11:17am)


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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 10:06amSanction this postReply
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A related site is My Sociology Kit so I picked In Conflict and Order: Understanding Society, 11/e by Eitzen & Baca Zinn and paid the $29 fee for one year of access.

This book is loaded with propaganda and explains why I found the North Carolina Governor's School so upsetting.

Here is a multiple choice question from "Chapter 13: The Economy":

The authors refer to the separation of human beings from each other, from themselves, and from the products they create as ____________________.

Anomie
Segmentation
Fragmentation
Alienation


I will eventually post a YouTube PowerPoint presentation explaining Governor's School and showing young people how to get a taste of it through these online tools before they immerse themselves in it for six weeks.

It may just make them re-think how they plan to spend their summers.

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Sunday, January 25, 2009 - 11:28amSanction this postReply
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Here's the video:



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Monday, January 26, 2009 - 3:43pmSanction this postReply
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