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Wednesday, December 28, 2011 - 1:30pmSanction this postReply
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I would like to know, how would you logically explain to someone the link between moral integrity and personal consistency?
(Edited by Ellen Danielle Ball on 12/29, 9:29am)


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Wednesday, December 28, 2011 - 3:18pmSanction this postReply
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Hi Ellen, welcome to RoR.

Regarding your question, I'd say that personal consistency covers everything about a person, and moral integrity covers a small part of that. For instance, if you have brown hair today, and you have brown hair tomorrow, that fact is a consistent detail about you -- but has nothing whatsoever to do with your moral integrity. Also, using old psychology 'lingo', if you are a "type A" person today (a real "go-getter"), and you are a "type A" person tomorrow, that fact is a consistent detail about your behavior -- but has nothing whatsoever to do with your moral integrity. You would have personal consistency but no evidence either way regarding your moral integrity.

For instance, if you were a type A person today, but you changed into a type B person tomorrow (someone who is no longer a real "go-getter"), you could still have all of your moral integrity -- even though you changed your pattern of behavior. So morality is a smaller subset of consistency. Being consistent doesn't make you moral or not. Neither does being inconsistent. It is only when you act on moral matters, that you can have moral integrity. One moral matter is whether you should, in general, be honest with yourself and with others. If you flip-flop on that issue, you lose moral integrity. That's because honesty is a moral issue to begin with.

Ed

(Edited by Ed Thompson on 12/28, 3:20pm)


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Wednesday, December 28, 2011 - 6:42pmSanction this postReply
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Ed Thompson's description carries some mainstream validity; and most people would find it to be easy to accept.  However, as Ed Thompson has only recently discovered Objectivism, his level of integration does not always cross the canonic literature.

For an Objectivist moral integrity is the source of  personal consistency.  When you have an objective code of values based on your need to live a full life in your own best interests, you act on the basis of objective standards. 

You might find baseball or ballet to be reflective of those values.  That is a personal choice.  However, having made that choice, you would not suddenly change your mind because the home team got snazzy uniforms.  Now, if you happened to be a designer of sports livery, then, yes, as a professional pursuing a valuable skill and trade, uniforms might be important.  Again, that would reflect an important moral choice for you, the selection of a career. 

(Lest sports seem trivial, I point out that sports entrepreneur Ed Snider was long an underwriter of Objectivism, including, lately, the film version of  Atlas Shrugged. And according to his speech at the 50th Anniversary celebration of the novel, he said that he first was alerted to Atlas Shrugged by another sports entrepreneur Peter O'Malley.) 

I have held many jobs over the years.  That would seem inconsistent.  However, in each case, the choices reflected unchanging objective values for self-actualization.  Work is work and sometimes you take what you can get, but I always adhered to the moral rule of doing everything to the best of my ability.  Even when I do quantitatively less, I do it qualitatively well.  In that, I am consistent.

There is also a deeper meaning of "moral integrity." This applies no less to the Mother Theresa and Fidel Castro. Those who are morally integrated are personally consistent.  Whatever choices they made were deeply considered and fully accepted in all the attendant consequences.  Mother Theresa would not grant penicillin to a sick man because he was good looking or had children who needed him.  For her, the suffering of others was her virtue.  She would not stray from that on a whim.

On the other hand - and why the question comes up, of course - in our daily lives we meet people who flit from one thing to another, from jobs or hobbies or spouses or friends.  They have favorite colors for a season.  Young people are famous for this, and largely, they are not at grave fault, as youth is the time of changes when we build and discover ourselves.  It is when this continues past adulthood and into middle age that we see the lack of moral integrity expressed as chronic personal inconsistency.

The strength and attraction of Objectivism is that it is in accordance with reality.  Marxism and Christianity are not.  If those are your moral standards, then some (or many if not most) choices will be forcibly inconsistent as you cannot live by an anti-life code of conduct.  In The Fountainhead, Ellsworth Toohey lived simply, but very well. He sent his niece, Catherine, into the slums to be a social worker.  He did not go there.  The moral code of Objectivism allows and encourages consistent action.  In fact, by the laws of cause and effect, consistent Objectivism demands integrity of action.

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 12/28, 6:52pm)


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Wednesday, December 28, 2011 - 7:19pmSanction this postReply
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Ellen,

Would you include an example of behavior or situation to narrow down what you mean when you say "personal consistency"?

Mike is arguing that, under Objectivism, there is no consistency to a person (no stable traits, preferences, or habits) until there is some moral integrity. After that, consistency will ensue. Now I disagree with how he laid it out, I'd say that there is consistency to a person before significant moral development.

Your input might help solve the paradox of the seemingly-exclusive positions of Mike and me.

Ed


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Wednesday, December 28, 2011 - 10:28pmSanction this postReply
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A person with moral integrity is guided by moral principles which do not change and is therefore consistent in action.

These principles may not be objective but as long as they are adhered to consistently the person can be said to have moral integrity.

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Thursday, December 29, 2011 - 7:54amSanction this postReply
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Well, fine, Mike E. comes in here out of nowhere and -- in 2 short lines -- provides the best answer to the question.

Hmf!

:-)

Ed


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Thursday, December 29, 2011 - 11:47amSanction this postReply
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Mike E. is correct in what he said, and it is perhaps the most important view for this subject, but there is another way to interpret "personal consistency" - there is a psychological view that shows a fair amount of variation on subjective issues. How consistent is a person in his personal preferences, tastes, etc. We all program ourselves in different ways as regards moral principles - there are people who categorize the moral as a small subset of all possible values, and the ethical as a small subset of all possible actions. In the rest of the realm of values and actions they may be more consistent or less consistent than they are in the moral/ethical areas.

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Friday, December 30, 2011 - 7:59amSanction this postReply
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If we're voting, I would like to split my vote. I like Mike E.'s description and Steve's extension-- which shows integrity to be depend on consistency, and so the concepts are not purely orthogonal concepts(with independent axes). Integrity lies in a bound neighborhood of consistency, but consistency exists elsewhere, as well.

One could be a consistent liar and cheat and be lacking in all integrity.

Let's hope Florida counts the votes with integrity.

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