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Post 40

Wednesday, March 7, 2007 - 8:33amSanction this postReply
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Definitely the weakest assumption.  And, it blows your whole argument.  We are talking people, not fruitflies.
In 10 years  of marriage, without contraception, my wife and I had 3 pregnancies.  That is far from an 100% success rate.  So, my original statement stands.  In the overwhelming majority of cases pregnancy could have been avoided.


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Wednesday, March 7, 2007 - 8:50amSanction this postReply
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Bob said:
And, it blows your whole argument.
Perhaps it does, but at least I made an argument.  You just made an unsupported statement, to which I took exception and did a back-of-the-envelope calculation, the results of which made me question your arbitrary assertion.
As to your personal situation, as someone said in another thread, "One example makes bad scientific [practice]."
In the overwhelming majority of cases pregnancy could have been avoided.
Again, where is your evidence?


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Post 42

Wednesday, March 7, 2007 - 9:07amSanction this postReply
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>In 10 years  of marriage, without contraception, my wife and I had 3 pregnancies.

Wow, amazing!

What I know only pointed to the opposite: that people could have more pregnancies with contraception in that period of time! How often do you hear people say that their child is an accident? Mine certainly is. Maybe we are just too bad?! ;-)



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Wednesday, March 7, 2007 - 10:28amSanction this postReply
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Don't forget the issue of 'bad seed' or low sperm count....;-)

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Wednesday, March 7, 2007 - 5:11pmSanction this postReply
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Teresa,

Roger Bissell and I are old sense-of-life allies from the Cornell Objectivism List. We met once briefly in NYC back in the late 90's. (He may have thought me an epicene in person.) His son does him proud. Say hi if you speak to him.

Ted

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Wednesday, March 7, 2007 - 7:10pmSanction this postReply
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OK, I am done with this subject.  Obviously, I am not changing any minds here, and mine isn't being changed, either.  Probably wasn't the best place to make my first splurge in here, as I agree with you all on virtually everything else.  I'll see you on other threads.

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Wednesday, March 7, 2007 - 8:24pmSanction this postReply
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Abortion and the Founding Fathers

This post is not about abortion, per se. Let us imagine being there 220 years ago during the debates at the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia. Many of the delegates were slave-holders, although I doubt that few of them were actively proud of that fact. Some defended it as their right, defining the slave (i.e., the negro - not the indentured servant) as not quite human. Thomas Jefferson, certainly with Washinton and Franklin among the least dispensable men of our history, was explicitly of this view, although his loins apparently weren't. I assume that Franklin most likely opposed the institution viscerally, and other New Englanders did most vehemently.

Imagine if, rather than saying that this is a matter of principle, but one which we cannot now solve they had disbanded into the New English Union, the Nations of New York and Greater Pennsylvainia, and the Confederated States of Virginia and the Carolinas? Imagine if New Jersey, Delaware and Connecticut had sought the protection of France? What would have become of the Liberty of Free Men?

Despair not, Mr. Enright. Most of us here agree on the principle that matters of principle are to be settled on principle, not by force or by simple majority rule. That is, we'd rather lose than win dishonestly. My view, and the minority view is that mere animacy is sufficient to guarantee a human fetus certain rights. Your view that a mother has duties to a fetus which is at the vegetative stage of development is not going to be accepted based upon an Aristotelian argument.  Still, if you find a different argument, it will be entertained. But the majority here view rationality, the highest rung on the Aristotelian scala naturae, as the sine qua non of any rights, and so some 55-58% of voters here have supported abortion even to term.

Should we call each other monsters and go home?

Abortion, homosexuality and, bizarrely enough, anarcho-capitalism seem to be the three issues upon which most self-identified Objectivists will part ways. Of course, for some, simply voting Republican is a proof of degeneracy, but for that viewpoint, you will have to seek out less genteel fora than this. Most of us here will allow Roe versus Wade, the "3/5ths compromise" of our age, to stand in place until that day when the parties in congress are the Flat-Taxers versus the Lotterians or the Freedom Party versus the Liberty Party - or until the day when there are no parties, just reasonable people in power. Until then, we may continue to make common cause while admitting our differences.

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Wednesday, March 7, 2007 - 8:41pmSanction this postReply
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"love of sushi...", "food poisoning"....

Hahaha, these are the funniest analogies that I've ever heard! Though people may not give up their love of sushi because of food poisoning, some of them may well be scared for life!


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Monday, November 9, 2009 - 7:32pmSanction this postReply
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Even Babies Have "Accents," Crying Study Finds

Matt Kaplan
for National Geographic News
November 5, 2009

Newborn babies start learning language in the womb—and are born with what you might call accents, a new study of crying babies says.

For the new study, a team led by Kathleen Wermke at the Center for Prespeech Development and Developmental Disorders at Würzburg University in Germany studied the cry "melodies" of 60 healthy newborns—30 French and 30 German.

The researchers knew that French speakers typically raise their pitch at the ends of words and phrases, while German speakers typically do the opposite.

The melodies of the newborn babies' cries followed the same intonations of the languages the babies had heard in the womb. The French babies' cries, for example, tended to end on a rising note.

"Clearly, the long process of language learning begins with the perception and production of melody by human fetuses and infants," Wermke said.

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