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Tuesday, May 1, 2007 - 10:33amSanction this postReply
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What!  No Noel Coward?  He'd probably poll as well as anyone you name.  Favorable mention, too, for Hugo and Wilde.  I found a number of works by Merwin and Webster, authors of Calumet K, together or separately, in a used book store years ago, and I liked some better than this one.

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Tuesday, May 1, 2007 - 12:57pmSanction this postReply
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Hugo's Ninety-Three, (Quatre-Vignt-Treize) in the edition with Rand's forward, is quite excellent.  There are other translations, but this was the only one that I have enjoyed, and I suggest that anyone considering reading that work obtain a reprint of that edition.  I was assigned to read Les Miserables in my French class in high school.  While the story is quite good, and I enjoyed the movie with Liam Neeeson, my teacher's constant harping on the altruism and the pathos ruined the literary experience for me.  I haven't read any of his other works, mostly due to the fact that it's hard to find good unabridged translations, and I just don't have the time any more to plod through long novels in French.

If anyone can recommend a good edition of any of his works, I request that they post it.

Ted Keer


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Tuesday, May 1, 2007 - 6:03pmSanction this postReply
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Terence Rattigan; I loved his The Winslow Boy.

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Tuesday, May 1, 2007 - 8:51pmSanction this postReply
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I always thought of Noel Coward as a second-rate George Gershwin, which I would guess is not all that bad of a thing to be. What literature of his is most recommendable?

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 - 8:36amSanction this postReply
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When cyberpunk was invented, I devoured it and then went back and bought the first edition magazines it appeared in. ... There is a lot of Ayn Rand in William Gibson. -- MEM

None of the above.  I finally admitted to myself that I have not much capacity for fiction, though I try.  The last fiction work that I read all the way through was Swarm by Michael Crichton, about a year ago.  Since then, I have failed to finish Moby Dick, Don Quixote, The Razor's Edge and now William Gibson's Pattern Recognition.  This past winter, I worked with Don Asselin and he recommended Ring Lardner. I read a few of the short stories, but after a while, they lost their novelty.  About 2002, I read The Sun Also Rises, but could not get far into For Whom the Bell Tolls.

First, I am surprised that Sinclair Lewis is on the list.  I thought that Rand condemned him as a naturalist and having read Arrowsmith, I could see that plainly, even at 17.    Also at that age, I read her edition of Ninety-Three when it came out and I ate up every word, ignoring all the obvious problems. When I tried it again about 10 years later, I could not read more than a few pages.

By that time, I had become morally opposed to literature in translation.  Tradurre e tradirre.  At best, you have the Cliff's Notes, but at worst, you entirely fail to receive the author's intent. 

I read Mickey Spillane's I, the Jury as a young adult, but I found it one dimensional and not being in the cultural milieu, I missed much of the subtext.  (It had to be pointed out that (a) the "cracked fashion plate" was a homosexual and (b) Hammer never kissed Minerva because that would have made him a homosexual.) 

Ian Fleming is not on the list.  Perhaps, she only liked the first movie.  I read Casino Royale and On Her Majesty's Secret Service back in 1966 when I started with Ayn Rand.  Since then, I read Goldfinger (which I remember) and two or three more (which I did not). They become formulaic. In fact, at that time, I actually enjoyed Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe novelettes, which were packaged as trilogies, though they, too, are repetitive. 

O. Henry is another one who is great for high schoolers.  Clever, quick, and with a point they can get. As an adult, I found them shallow.

When I got into classics (Greek and Roman), I thought that Quo Vadis would be instructive and informative, but it was just boring.  Plutarch tells a better story.

All in all, what it comes down to is that I just don't care about other people's personal problems.

Oddly, I do like a good problem.  Isaac Asimov was always enjoyable: tightly written, clever elements, insightful conclusion.  That goes for his mysteries (Black Widowers) and his science fiction and his sf mysteries (Wendell Urth, e.g.).  When cyberpunk was invented, I devoured it and then went back and bought the first edition magazines it appeared in.  I have Neuromancer and several others in hardcover first edition.  However, like all of Robert Heinlein (or Steele's Orbital Decay), what you have is not so much a story about people, as an admittedly naturalistic cinema following people through the sociology of the "future," i.e., our present. The unfinished Pattern Recognition was the second or third Gibson that I failed to finish after Mona Lisa Overdrive.  Neuromancer and Count Zero were both much better with the first being the best.  There is a lot of Ayn Rand in William Gibson.


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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 - 10:38amSanction this postReply
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In answer to #3: I was thinking of Coward as a playwright rather than as a songwriter.  This means you should, if possible, see his plays performed rather than read them.  That said, his masterpieces are Private Lives, Blithe Spirit, Present Laughter, Hay Fever and Design for Living (to which The Fountainhead alludes in passing).  His most notable movie is In Which We Serve, a patriotic number about the British navy in WW2.  The 1930s movie of Private Lives, with which he had no personal involvement, is better than its reputation would lead you to believe.  The Ernst Lubitsch version of Design for Living is a disappointment.  Lubitsch came up recently on the favorite-movies thread.

Footnote: Coward was the model for Winston Ayers and Lubitsch for the director in Rand's Her Second Career.

(Edited by Peter Reidy on 5/02, 11:34am)


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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 - 5:12pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks Peter. And I was thinking of Noel Coward as Cole Porter, not as Noel Coward. Oops! I appreciate the recommendations.

Ted

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 - 5:22pmSanction this postReply
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Michael: please explain what you mean by: "There is a lot of Ayn Rand in William Gibson." I have not been able to get into any of his works.

And I agree, I found Quo Vadis somnificent. I wonder what language Rand read it in, and if it was the same translation.

I voted O. Henry myself, since his work was the only literature that I read purposefully because she recommended him. I thoroughly enjoyed him, but I did read him in high school, and I haven't revisited him since.

As for Moby Dick, you must read the chapter "On the Whiteness of the Whale." Do it now if you can, it's only two pages or so. It stands alone as an essay, I won't say more.

Ted




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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 - 7:48pmSanction this postReply
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Ted, what does chocolate taste like?

I don't know how to describe the Ayn Rand in William Gibson, but when reading his works, I would say, "That sounds like something Rand would write."  or "He read Ayn Rand."  It is not so much the turns of phrase as the characterizations and descriptiive passages. 

I just know that unlke like Pat Cadigan or Bruce Sterling, Gibson's work shows traces of Ayn Rand.  (Not that they never read her -- I wouldn't know -- but that in his work, it shows and in theirs, it does not.)

I was open to Gibson when it was passed to me, so maybe that is a factor in my being able to get into that.  I think that Sterling's Islands in the Net was the last cyberpunk book I enjoyed.  I did like the "steampunk" novel Difference Engine.  But, again, these are not really about people and their inner angst, but "action sociology." 

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Speaking of Oscar Wilde ...  the first work of his that I acted in was The Friendly Giant.  That was the second grade.  I read the work about 40 years later and it moved me to tears.  Drippy religious nonsense, but very well done: a masterpiece of a fairy tale.

 

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 5/02, 7:50pm)


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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 - 8:37pmSanction this postReply
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Chocolate tastes like coffee, T-bone steak, ammonia, salmon, broccoli and hashish, but not quite.

I was just curious what you saw in Gibson, since to me, what little I have read of him seems like stream-of-consciousness buzzwords run amok.

But the whole point in my asking was a desire to seek new values where I can find them. What would you point to as his most rewarding yet accessible work - i.e., one that stands alone and does not require an acquired taste that I don't yet have. For example, I'd recommend Friday to those who haven't read Heinlein but want to read one of his major works.

I have recently become quite a devotee of Wilde. His An Ideal Husband is wonderful. Of course, there was also the episode where he compared the crown-prince to a stream of bat's piss...

BTW, Aspasia just came in the mail.

Ted (A Good Republican)
(Edited by Ted Keer
on 5/02, 8:38pm)


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Thursday, May 3, 2007 - 4:44amSanction this postReply
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The stream of consciousness buzzwords is exactly the reason why I did not get far into the last two I tried.  The earlier works are better: "The sky was the color of television tuned to a dead channel."  (Neuromancer)
 
Mirrorshades is the definitive anthology of cyberpunk short stories.  In addition to Gibson and Sterling are Pat Cadigan and Lewis Shiner.  "Johnny Mnemonic" was the one that started it all.  The short story is far better than the movie.  Also, the short "New Rose Hotel" was made into an awful movie with Christopher Walken, but stands on its own.  The story "Gernsback Continuum" inspired me to write a set  of "Millennium Wonder Stories."  He sped down the superhighway in his Japanese-built sedan not listening to the government news channel.  The cruise control was set to 100 kph.   The old gasoline conservation laws from the 70s were still enforced through this speedtrap where the cops had upgraded to lasers.  His portable visiphone played Sousa and he knew that it was his wife calling.

For starters, if you don't like Neuromancer, then the genre is not for you.  Count Zero would be fine for a first book, but action hinges on events from Neuromancer: the nature of cyberspace has changed.  In Neuromancer, it is much like the WWW with an Xbox interface, but when the two AI units, Wintermute and Neuromancer finally merge, the fabric of this "consensual hallucination" this "hallucination we agree to have" has changed and now there are free living entities in the matrix.

For an analogy, what made Lord of the Rings work as a movie trilogy is that everyone had read the books.  Imagine seeing The Two Towers without context.  In fact, our daughter's boyfriend did that  She's 27 and he lived his whole life in a world of golf courses and ESPN whereas she played D&D as a child, so she knew that Gandalf would gain massive experience points by defeating the Balrog.  She's thinking of going to law school, and I have an envelope going out to her in which, among other trivia, is a cartoon of demons sitting around a table and the one is saying, "I play my lawyer against your illegal search and seizure."  It's the context, right?

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 5/03, 4:47am)


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Thursday, May 3, 2007 - 6:53amSanction this postReply
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Well, I think Neuromancer was one of the novels I tried but didn't like.  However, I had to start reading the Fountainhead three times over before I got into it.  I will pick up the short stories at the discount shop.

Ted


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Sunday, May 6, 2007 - 7:44pmSanction this postReply
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Peter, I just watched Brief Encounter directed by David Lean and starring Trevor Howard and Celia Johnson. It's a wonderful love story, short on action, but still very dramatic, and set to Rachmaninoff's 2nd Piano Concerto! And wrtiiten by Noel Coward.

Ted

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