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Monday, May 7, 2007 - 9:52amSanction this postReply
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I assume this poll is in relation to the debate, which I did not see.  I always hear good things about Ron Paul.  If the corrupt McCain or the flip-flopping hairboy Romney or the one-issue nativist Tancredo wins, I will sit the election out.  I could see my self possibly voting for Fred Thompson. I don't know enough about the others to have an opinion - except for Giuliani, whom I will happily support as a socially-liberal military-hawk with a proven no-nonsense executive record.

Ted




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Monday, May 7, 2007 - 11:09amSanction this postReply
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There wasn't an option that said "none of the above"



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Monday, May 7, 2007 - 12:11pmSanction this postReply
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The June 2007 issue of Reason magazine has an article that rates the Republican and Democratic presidential nominees.

Their conclusion on Giuliani,"Giuliani might be the most socially liberal figure to make a serious run for the GOP mantle since Nelson Rockefeller. He might also be the most personally authoritarian Republican candidate since Richard Nixon."

As I watched the debate I thought Giuliani would change his positions according to which way the wind was blowing. I did not see adherence to principles in any of his anwers.

Ron Paul is my candidate. I cannot see myself voting for McCain, Giuliani or Romney. On the Democratic side I can see myself voting for Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico.




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Monday, May 7, 2007 - 1:41pmSanction this postReply
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This is an easy decision for me. I'm voting for Ron Paul.

One reason I am supporting Ron Paul is that he is the only who supports an America First foreign policy. But he is also the only one who cares about civil liberties.

Giulani's record on guns is bad.




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Monday, May 7, 2007 - 5:38pmSanction this postReply
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Well, I'd have put up two polls, who do you wish you could support (Ron Paul) and who do you really expect to chose from among the candidates (Giuliani). I am not saying that there's anything wrong with supporting Paul or so forth, but his coming close to the nomination seems unlikely given his lack of money and name recognition. Politics is messy compromise, war by other means. No matter how ideal the candidate, politics is a matter of money, access, appearances and popularity contests. In that context, Giuliani's strengths far outweigh his flaws. Giuliani is his own man, the press, the critics, and international opinion be damned. I never voted for him. He didn't seem to understand the concept of the presumption of innocence except where he misapplied it to the police (if the police have the presumption of innocence, this means that civilians are presumed guilty) and he doesn't support rebuilding the towers.

But when it comes down to it, he reigned in spending, he cut the crime and murder rate dramatically, he had Yassir Arafat in effect arrested at a public event, he refused to fund the Brooklyn Art Museum with public funds to promote a dung besmeared Virgin Mary, among other "works of art." Giuliani will neither be a lip-biting hypocrite nor a dyslexic bumbler. He wasn't afraid to appear in drag at a fund-raiser. He's not going to kiss the UN's ass. Unless his secret membership in the KKK is announced, I am going to register Republican so I can vote for him in the NY primary.

Ted

BTW Fred Thompson has all but announced, saying on Fox News today that all systems are go for a run.



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Monday, May 7, 2007 - 6:28pmSanction this postReply
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Mr Stock, did Giuliani say anything particularly disturbing? I have not seen or heard anything except commentary about the debate. I find the idea that Giuliani would waffle to gain the presidency when he never did so once as mayor (of a very liberal city with a larger population than most states) a bit hard to believe. But if he does say something truly objectionable, I'd like to know. My support for him is not based on an uncritical personal attraction but on a grudging respect.

Ted



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Monday, May 7, 2007 - 6:55pmSanction this postReply
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David,

There wasn't an option that said "none of the above"
There wasn't space for 11 options.
 
Ed




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Monday, May 7, 2007 - 7:58pmSanction this postReply
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Ed, who are Jim Gilmore and Duncan Hunter? And although I would have left room for "other" had I made the poll, one can always either vote for Romney or abstain if one wants to make that point.

Ted



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Monday, May 7, 2007 - 8:16pmSanction this postReply
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Ted, the only thing I remember about Gilmore is that he was one of 2 that was not TOTALLY pro-life (as the other 8 candidates, Guiliani excluded, were). Duncan Hunter didn't stand out on any issue for me. I had forgotten him as soon as the debate ended. That's not to say he didn't have any merit, only that he didn't stand out from the crowd FOR ME.

I felt Ron Paul was the most philosophically correct in his answers, but at the same time he seemed to be the least captivating in his ability to speak with authority -- his voice even cracked a few times, probably from his advanced age, but nevertheless I think it hurt his performance in this kind of forum -- and it was Romney who spoke like a future president, regardless of his answers.

Ed




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Monday, May 7, 2007 - 8:19pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks Ed. I'd ask for a link, but I'd probably rather wait to see the general candidates debate. I wish the Dems would nominate Ed Koch.

Ted



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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 - 3:09amSanction this postReply
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Ted, Jim Gilmore was governor of Virginia from 1998-2002, and was elected on the basis of his pledge to eliminate the car tax. The whole campaign was basically a bunch of signs that said NO CAR TAX. It worked...

Governor of Virginia
Gilmore was elected Governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia in 1997. Gilmore campaigned heavily on the twin promises of hiring 4,000 new teachers in public schools and phasing out Virginia's Car Tax.[3] According to the Washington Post, "Virginia's politicians struggled to balance car-tax relief against demands for public services."[4] Beginning in 2001, Virginia's economy slowed and tax revenues flattened. In addition to a downturn in the national economy in 2001, Northern Virginia's economy was severely slowed after terrorists flew a hijacked airplane into the Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia, on September 11, 2001, resulting in the closure of Reagan National Airport for several months. Despite the economic downturn, Gilmore insisted on advancing the car tax phase out from a 50% reduction of each taxpayer's bill to a 70% reduction.
Gilmore also implemented new Standards of Learning reforms in Virginia's public schools. The Standards of Learning prescribed a uniform curriculum in math, science, English and social studies and instituted new tests at the end of the 3rd, 5th and 8th grades, as well as end-of-course tests in high school, to measure student achievement. During Gilmore's term, Virginia's public school students' scores increased on these state tests as well as nationally normed tests.[5]
Gilmore created the nation's first state Secretary of Technology, a position first held by Donald Upson. Together they established a statewide technology commission, and signed into law the nation's first comprehensive state Internet policy.[6]
During his term, Gilmore chaired the Congressional Advisory Commission on Electronic Commerce.[7] The Commission was charged with the task of making recommendations to Congress on Internet taxation, and it ultimately opposed taxation of the Internet. [8]
During his term 37 murderers were executed in the state of Virginia. Gilmore granted executive clemency to one death row inmate on the basis of poor mental health. He pardoned a former death row inmate, Earl Washington, after DNA tests, ordered by Gilmore, failed to establish his guilt and implicated another person. Gilmore also ordered DNA tests in the case of Derek Rocco Barnabei. The tests confirmed Barnabei's guilt and he was executed.
As Governor, Gilmore signed into law legislation establishing a 24-hour waiting period for women seeking an abortion as well as a ban against partial birth abortion. He increased funding for adoption services. He also signed into law a bill that banned human cloning. In 1999, Gilmore went to court to try to prevent the removal of a feeding tube of coma victim Hugh Finn.
Gilmore was succeeded by Democrat Mark Warner in 2002. The Virginia Constitution forbids any Governor from serving consecutive terms, so Gilmore could not have run for a second term in 2001.
 




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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 - 9:26amSanction this postReply
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Thanks, Jonathan.



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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 - 11:53amSanction this postReply
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Mr. Keer:

I was not disturbed by Guiliani, just not impressed.

I have told more than one Libertarian that if your neighbors won't elect you dog catcher, they won't vote for you for Congress or the Presidency.

I see a similar problem with Guiliani. I can understand his two ex-wives not supporting him, but when his grown children do not support his candidacy to me that spells troubling character issues.




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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 - 1:58pmSanction this postReply
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Thank you for that information, Robert Stock.

I already know what Gun Owners of America say about him.




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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 - 2:45pmSanction this postReply
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Yes, it's a good thing Reagan didn't have any beefs with his kids...

:)

Ted




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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 - 3:53pmSanction this postReply
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The diference with Reagan is that his children did support him even if they did not agree with his politics. They respected him as a human being.



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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 - 5:36pmSanction this postReply
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Well, whatever Giuliani's children want to say about him in the press, basing one's opinions of him on their statements, and not his actual long and proven record seems more like rationalizing a pre-existing dislike than anything else. Other than his kid's gripes I can see plenty of reasons to dislike the guy. And George Bush Sr.'s children praise him universally, but I think he's one of the worst presidents we've ever had. What, exactly, would anyone expect Chelsea Clinton to say about her parents?

I remember Giuliani as a federal prosecutor, (perhaps too much a zealot, but effective) I lived in New York throughout his entire mayoralty. He was a "let the cops shoot first and ask questions later kind" of guy. Bad domestically. Overseas? Fine with me! I remember seeing his spoiled brat of a son misbehave while he gave his inaugural speech, and I remember Chris Farley parodying Giuliani's son on Saturday Night Live. I don't know where you live, but I know what New York was like before Giuliani, what it was like under him, and what it is like now that he's gone. He was a great mayor with some real but known flaws. No anarchist pacifists here will be voting for him, I assume. He makes hawks look like pigeons. Knowing his flaws, I look forward to being able to vote for him. Until his children come out with verifiable stories of his molesting them and chaining up the hired help for showing up late for fruit-cup at desert, that is.

Ted



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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 - 6:20pmSanction this postReply
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I certainly am no anarchist pacifist. No candidate is perfect and you have to choose who you think will do the best job.

I voted for George W. Bush in 2000 and he turned out not to be the man I thought he was. If Giuliani wins I hope he is not the man I think he is.




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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 - 9:04pmSanction this postReply
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For those who voted Ron Paul, who's your second choice?

Ted



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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 - 9:15pmSanction this postReply
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Tommy Thompson of Wisconsin.



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