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Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 5:17amSanction this postReply
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What attracted me to Objectivism was that it is reality based. What I love about it is that it is a philosophy for living.

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Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 5:33amSanction this postReply
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For me it was passionate reason - no false choice of emotions versus reason. And the celebration of intelligence.

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Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 7:25amSanction this postReply
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I agree wth Bob and Steve: Reason and Reality.

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Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 9:49amSanction this postReply
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Any of the first nine choices would apply equally for me, so I picked "the unconventionality" as a place-holder. Having read The Fountainhead first, it was an overall sense of life being presented that I really connect with most strongly. The idea that you could be independent and self-contained in your ideas and happiness; not comparing yourself to anyone else or relying on others to provide you with direction, justification or purpose for your life, was very empowering.

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Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 12:20pmSanction this postReply
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Reason and reality are far too abstract for this poll. It was precisely because people disagree over what is reasonable, or what is real enouugh to matter, that I constructed this poll. The isolationists and even the anarchists (make the sign of the dollar, and shudder) think that they are reasonable. Libertarians, conspiracy-theorists, and even neo-con apologists think theyt are reasonable. The issues chosen were concrete enough that people will not disagree over their applicabilikty. We're all "reasonable" here - but disagree violently enough.



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Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 12:35pmSanction this postReply
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I have edited the question from "What first attracted me" to "The subject that first attracted me."

(Edited by Ted Keer on 8/17, 9:04pm)


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Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 12:56pmSanction this postReply
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Ted:

Out of curiosity, which choice did you pick?

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Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 1:00pmSanction this postReply
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Ted, it depends upon what you are contrasting "Reason" with. In my case, I was raised in a home that respected reason - that is, if one of us kids made a good argument, we were listened to. But emotions were taboo. No yelling, no crying, no expressions of anger. I acquired the false impression that emotional expression was irrational and that you couldn't be reasonable and have strong feelings (think Spock, or the Stoical man of the West). So, when I was hit by the thundering passion with which Rand delivers such exquisitely reasoned thoughts, I was turned head over heels.

Seeing reason and passions together on the same side validated all the strong feelings I'd suppressed for years, while taking reason to greater heights than I'd seen before. Reason, my favorite tool, and part of my identity, had abilities I had never even dreamed of. I had sacrificed emotions because of the degree to which I valued reason, and she showed me that the sacrifice wasn't needed while validating my love of reason.

I had already sensed, but had no words for, the concept that reason was the foundation for right and wrong. I suspect that most kids start at that spot ("That's not fair!" cries the kid with an implicit call for intertwining logic and ethics.). Rand said we were right.

I'd only add that I was strongly individualistic as a personality and that I often saw obstructions put in my way being justified by irrational 'reasons.' I had tied reason to individuality on a sense of life level before reading Rand, and what she gave me was a validation and understanding of what I already was in an important sense.

Of all the items you listed, "Moral certainty" strikes a note, but one that only makes sense in light of everything I wrote above. The others are non-starters for me. The other great attraction was her portrayal of man as heroic.

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Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 1:01pmSanction this postReply
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The morality meshed well with my love of science as it treated morality much like any other sphere of human thought: dependent on reason to measure it out.

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Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 1:20pmSanction this postReply
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Actually, for me it was the science fiction aspect that led me to first read AS.  I had exhausted every single sf book in my would-be sf writer aunt's closet that summer, at age 12, and kept returning to this dauntingly HUGE text whose cover blurb read as though it were sort of popular sf novel - which it is.

As for what attracted me to the Objectivism as such within AS, I would go with the rationality and sophistication of the tale as well as the various characters, how they portrayed and embodied abstractions in the concrete.  I would read Francisco's wonderful speeches over and over, thinking through the logic of the positions he took. 

My parents, although well educated and intellectual in their own way, were also highly neurotic and impervious to reason.  They were going to do it THEIR WAY.  I NEVER heard that kind of rational exposition at home, even though my intellectual background certainly prepared me to expect it.  My speeches were restricted to the shower - about the only time that I was not expected to be studying or working at some chore - where, in my head, I would give variations of one of Francisco's dinner speeches, or of portions of Galt's radio address, perhaps applying the principles to current news events.


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Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 1:27pmSanction this postReply
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Gentlemen, "reason" is not on the same level of abstraction as the other topics. Everyone who adopts Objectivism thinks he is adopting reason. But reason as applied to what? Everyone who read Rand must have had some first kicker - some issue where one agreed in the concrete with what she was saying.

Most people and most philosophies claim to be the voice of reason. I want to know what that voice of reason was saying that so enticed you.

As for myself? I chose the last answer. I have always been proud, intransigent, and self-assured. I was picked on for this, so much so that in junior high school my nickname was - yes - "God." People had always told me I was selfish. I had always retorted, and so you selfishly want me to do it your way instead? Whose opinion do you expect me to have, other than my own?

One of the guys who called me God (an insult?) threw The Virtue of Selfishness on my desk as he left and I arrived to begin my period of US History II. I laughed aloud, put the book inside my textbook, and tried not to get called on for the rest of the period.

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Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 7:39pmSanction this postReply
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Egoism


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Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 8:00pmSanction this postReply
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Egoism as in 5, 6, 9 or 10?

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Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 8:57pmSanction this postReply
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And here, over the portals of my fort, I shall cut in the stone the word which is to be my beacon and my banner. The word which will not die, should we all perish in battle. The word which can never die on this earth, for it is the heart of it and the meaning and the glory.
The sacred word:
EGO


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Monday, August 18, 2008 - 12:21amSanction this postReply
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Jeeze, Ted, I KNOW what attracted me to Objectivism, really, I looked into my mind and there it was (something more difficult for you to do, being that it is my mind).... Then I explained it in detail (see previous post).

You are saying, "Everyone who adopts Objectivism thinks he is adopting reason. But reason as applied to what?" As a virtue, as the hallmark of a hero, not just as a process that it is applied to x.


Sorry I don't fit your answers :-)

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Monday, August 18, 2008 - 2:16pmSanction this postReply
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I was actually going to have "contrariness" as one of the choices, but mistakenly "thought better" of it. I should have known that Michael (and expected Steve) would have chosen that response.

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