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Friday, April 2, 2010 - 3:41pmSanction this postReply
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I lost no friendships, the music was somtimes nice ("Morning Has Broken," "Adeste Fideles") the artwork was adequate, the sermons usually flawed or trite but always useful examples for what Rand called philosophical detection. I am not exactly sure what is meant by historical reflections. I did like the smell of incense and the language of the Ruthenian Recension.



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Friday, April 2, 2010 - 3:57pmSanction this postReply
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Some of the ministers I witnessed would include valid historical observations in their sermons to set a context for the impact of Christ on history.

I posted this poll in an attempt to gain some insight on what might keep "borderline" freethinkers engaged with religion.

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Friday, April 2, 2010 - 4:06pmSanction this postReply
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Ah, I did actually hear such sermons by interesting and educated Catholic priests, but not in my home diocese. One can always attend Catholic mass unless one is excommunicated, just not receive communion.

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Friday, April 2, 2010 - 4:19pmSanction this postReply
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I left religion twice -- initially during my freshman year in college and later during my senior college year -- falling back into it after my first departure because I could find no coherent "replacement" philosophy to guide my thoughts and actions. Developing a rigorous personal philosophy is hard work and not for the faint of heart! I was also very lonely, got tired of trying to sort my thoughts in solitude, and found the warmth, security, and familiarity of the church all too alluring. Still, my sense of rationality continued to gnaw at me even as I went through the motions of trying to "believe." My last year of college was a troubling time for my soul. I would sit in the pew and listen patiently and courteously with the other "sheep" to the sermon, but my mind would scream, "No! No! NO! NO! NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!"

I will always be grateful to the person who loaned me The Virtue of Selfishness shortly before college graduation even if he was not an Objectivist himself.

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Friday, April 2, 2010 - 4:58pmSanction this postReply
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I lost no values - because there were none....

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Saturday, April 3, 2010 - 8:12amSanction this postReply
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I miss that wonderful phrase from the minister: "Let us pray."  That meant his interminable sermon was over and we would be leaving shortly.  That was a great feeling.

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Saturday, April 3, 2010 - 9:21amSanction this postReply
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When I lay preached [yes, once was a real goner, huh - now ye know why nickname is 'rev'... ;-)], I never had a prayer after, but had a good unusual hymn to use [and yes, my sermons were most unusual as well - but despite the unorthodoxy, was popular [go figure]]...

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Saturday, April 3, 2010 - 11:14amSanction this postReply
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Well, my father was a United Church minister (in Canada, the amalgamation of Methodist and Presbyterian) so I had a lot of the propaganda as a child, but it never got through to me. I never understood that God saw every little sparrow fall or how Christ rose after being dead. I was just bored with it all and having to sit through interminable sermons was torture. None of us kids took it seriously then, but some became true believers later in life.

I thought for a long time during my young adult life that I was missing something but that didn't last long. All the miracles just didn't make sense.

I must have been a disappointment to my parents having become an engineer rather than taking up some other more spiritual profession.

Sam


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Saturday, April 3, 2010 - 11:18amSanction this postReply
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Engineering is a spiritual profession.

Work is play!

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Saturday, April 3, 2010 - 11:22amSanction this postReply
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Indeed!!
Same with being a cook, baker, or artist - or any other profession... ;-)
(Edited by robert malcom on 4/03, 11:23am)


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Saturday, April 3, 2010 - 10:02amSanction this postReply
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you have a church ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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Saturday, April 3, 2010 - 10:07amSanction this postReply
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fuckin Ay malcomb thet reeeeelly suks

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Saturday, April 3, 2010 - 10:13amSanction this postReply
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yep

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Saturday, April 3, 2010 - 2:13pmSanction this postReply
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Have you been drinking?

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Saturday, April 3, 2010 - 2:21pmSanction this postReply
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Probably.


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Saturday, April 3, 2010 - 5:09pmSanction this postReply
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Obviously - because he certainly was not reading it very carefully... ['was' does not equal 'is'... nor implies]

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Sunday, April 4, 2010 - 11:29pmSanction this postReply
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I miss that wonderful phrase from the minister: "Let us pray."
The Vikings had a similar phrase, but it was spelled differently.


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Monday, April 5, 2010 - 5:28amSanction this postReply
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They were more honest...

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Monday, April 5, 2010 - 5:30amSanction this postReply
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Lettuce pray?

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Monday, April 5, 2010 - 5:40amSanction this postReply
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Let us prey.

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