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Friday, May 18, 2012 - 12:03pmSanction this postReply
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HRB,

A rule of law based on individual rights would not need to rely on any altruism. It turns out that it is in your long-term, rational, best interests to have such a law. It can be defended on completely selfish grounds. Now, certain laws -- laws which violate individual rights -- would, in fact, need to rely on altruism. Rand was prescient when she wrote that altruist-statist dictators go hog-wild passing new laws (in order to silence the innocent).

A recent example is our new law stating that the president can snatch you up and hold you indefinitely without any oversight from the courts. What do you think Thomas Jefferson would say about that law?

Ed


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Friday, May 18, 2012 - 1:41pmSanction this postReply
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Ed,

That 93 senators voted in favor of that law was one of those stunning moments for me... Like when 19 out of 21 congressman accepted bribes in that long ago Abscam under-cover investigation.

My understanding is that this law requires that they put a person in front of a federal judge within 120 days. Just yesterday I heard Senator Lindsey Graham, a major proponent of the bill, say that on TV.

But that still violates habeous corpus, probable cause, the right to a speedy trail, trial by jury, and due process. I don't know, but I suspect that the federal judge would likely be a pet judge and the setting is secret and that the detainee isn't permitted a lawyer and is still being held incommunicado. And the judge only determines if the detainee can be held "pending investigation" which does not have a specified time limit - If that is correct, then there is no safety for any person at any time.

With that one law, we became just like one of those banana republics that can 'disappear' a political opponent.

Senator Graham said "We are at war... The terrorist must be brought before a judge within 120 days... I wouldn't care if that were amended to be 4 days." And he went on to say what a disaster he thought it would be use the criminal justice system with Miranda rights, etc.

No one pointed out to the Senator that congress has not declared war.

No one challenged him on the presumption of guilt and that only a properly conducted legal procedure of some sort, using rational rules of evidence, probable cause, the right to confront one's accusers, etc., can establish sufficient justification for holding a person, much less establishing their guilt - i.e., validate the charge of terrorism. And Graham is a LAW MAKER!!!

I sent a letter to Senator Kyle (my other senator here in Arizona is McCain, and since he was a cosigner, I didn't bother to send one to him). The letter I got back was a form letter that continued to ignore the fact that a person must be treated as innocent until adequate evidence says otherwise and that a legal procedure to do that must exhibit due process, a speedy PUBLIC trial, a jury of his peers, rules of evidence, etc.

Given the poor quality of politicians we suffer from, I would expect that a few over-the-top war hawks would go for a law like that, and I expect that a few on the far left would like such a law, and that one or two less intelligent and easily frigntened senators might go along, and maybe even a senator or two would be willing to sell their votes in exchange for a promise to vote for their pet project in the future... but that would still only add up to say 6 to 10 votes out of 100. But 93... and they are our LAW MAKERS!!!
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Practical and moral justification of an armed rebellion requires two things: An severely abusive government and an absence of an adequate mechanism to change the abusive nature of that government. Disappearing people, over-regulation, destruction of the economy via deficit spending, massive debt, confiscatory redistributive policies, theft via crony capitalism, etc. are examples of abuse that could amount justification BUT there still exists adequate freedom to speak, to assemble, and to have a fairly executed vote. As for me, I'm keeping a close eye out for censorship, for police tactics against assembly and for voter fraud massive enough to change the outcome.

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Friday, May 18, 2012 - 9:14pmSanction this postReply
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Great points, Steve.

We live in scary times. When I get scared, I read a book. I must be quadruply-scared now, however -- because I'm reading 4 books!:

Pathological Altruism

The Moral Molecule

The Tyranny of Cliche`s (How Liberals Cheat in the War of Ideas)

Spoiled Rotten (How the Politics of Patronage Corrupted the Once Noble Democratic Party and now Threatens the American Republic)

2 of them are little more than left-wing hatchet-jobs posturing as robust science, balanced observation, and honest reflection
2 of them are, in spite of rare flaws, much more objective than that

:-)

Ed

p.s. Caveat: Rush Limbaugh is actually optimistic lately. He thinks the 2010 elections were just the beginning. He cites evidence here and there for more American citizen blow-back from our recently imposed socialism/crony capitalism. I hear Ed Cline also has a book, calling Obama an amateur (in the title), but I haven't picked that one up yet. Has anyone heard whether it was good or not?


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Friday, May 18, 2012 - 11:03pmSanction this postReply
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Thomas Jefferson and perhaps Charlemagne might say that some laws violate the law.

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