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Saturday, May 24, 2008 - 11:43amSanction this postReply
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Suttee

The Hindu tradition of suttee was found throughout the Indo-European area. The Vikings also burned widows, as well as servants and all the dead man's belongings on a boat which was set adrift or sometimes buried. The Chinese and Egyptians strangled a dead king's servants and often family to be buried with him. Similar customs are known world-wide. The dead man's belongings were considered haunted, his wife accursed, his name taboo, lest speaking it recall his vengeful shade.

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Saturday, May 24, 2008 - 11:13pmSanction this postReply
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It's a sad tradition as it shows the shadows of a murky mind drunken by egotism and self-worship of the worse kind. The kind unearned, unneeded, and self-defeating. Such ideas even influence how we see each other such as who gave birth to us, what language we commonly use, the color of our skin, and place of origin. Yet, none of these ideas never show us the true character of a person. They ignore the person for the sake of the visage of the person. The mask which others take as real, when it is merely the mask; something that can crumble and fade in time, unlike the ideas that made the person which are timeless and true if they provide success (and joy) to the one that grasped them.

It is by the denial of identity that ideas like these live on no matter how many deaths, how many ruined lives, self-imploding empires, or twisted mutilations inflicted. It seems that these are the kinds of ideas that are poisonous and viral. Ultimately, such ideas must be fought with truly worthwhile ideas.


-- Brede

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Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 2:37amSanction this postReply
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Wow, Brede, that was an excellent post!  Sanction!

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Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 12:32pmSanction this postReply
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The Shoes of a Dead Man

The origins of the tradition lay in two facts. The first was that in a nomadic society, there was no way to hold on to surplus goods. Like the Mongols who move their yurts as they cross the steppe, the problem of a dead man's goods are that at least for his survivors, "you can't take it with you." So the goods go in the grave. A widow past childbearing is also a burden in such a society. The second issue is the conceptual development of such societies. A dead man's spirit was a threat - better to leave him with his wife and worldly possessions to "rest in peace."

Of course, these traditions are comprehensible in the context of a neolithic nomadic society that thinks trees have spirits and clouds are gods. The survival of suttee in India into modern history is barbaric - or more properly - a form of collectivist sanctioned theft. You can't scavage through a dead man's things if his wife is in the room.




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Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 8:51amSanction this postReply
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Agreed, Luke.  Sanction, too -- and I cut and pasted it into a little poster for my offiice.  The writing was finely crafted, indeed.

Ted Keer -- I also (ambiguously) agree that the tradition has roots in something perhaps not totally negative: the realization that people have spirits.  That there is something more to us than the stuff we see outside.  The idea that someone can live after death has been attributed to the common experience of dreaming about someone who died.  That actually required quite a bit of brain to do and then to self-reflectively understand... or misunderstand, as the case may be.

That said, the resistance of the victims certainly belies the claim that there is life after death. "OK, you first..." 

Finally, the Terracotta Army probably was created to subsitute for living victims, a conceptual and cultural leap on the part of at least one Chinese emperor (Shi Huang Di, c. 210 BCE).  So, it is not as if the problem were unsolveable until the Enlightenment or anything.

The Greeks changed the story of Iphegenia. It remains a sacrifice in the Iliad, but also gave rise to other myths in which she went to Tarus or some other place.  So, too, with the Sacrifice of Abraham, discussed here on RoR: though infant sacrifice continued among some Semitic peoples (Tyre, Carthage), the Jews abandoned it and that story tells of that. 

So, again, while the sacrificing of retainers or family was widespread and culturally explicable, it was still stupid and wrong and should have been pretty easy to figure out, but for the drunken egotism so clearly painted by Bridget.

(In fact...  after posting that, I went back and looked again at the Terracotta Army and it had to be a tremendous waste of resources just to create and bury them.  I think that before taking office, every king, president and precinct delegate ought to read Ozymandias into the public record and digitally sign it.)

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 5/27, 8:57am)


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