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Thursday, March 11, 2010 - 8:32pmSanction this postReply
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Dead on.  My recent experience in the gay scene has been with the local furries.   I started attending the local furry party when it was a combination of furries, science fiction fans, filkers and decidedly horny 'other."  Maybe once or twice a year I would drop in for one of their parties.

The hot tub was clothing optional.

When it reverted to the residence of the two guys who started the whole furry movement, after 20 years of parties at the other house, owned by a couple of computer programmers who moved North, I started going there.  Now it was mainly furries, but a lot of them were also computer nerds and science fiction fans, like me, so, fine.  Usually they got over a hundred attendees, so there were lots of interesting conversations.

I don't have any problems with other people's peaceful sexual proclivities.  I knew that most of the attendees were gay - but not all.  I enjoyed their company.

At first, the new location parties reflected the old scene, and there was a lot of hanky panky going on.  Then, somehow, the furry movement, which had been aging, suddenly started getting younger and younger, with small hordes of teenies, some of whom had to be driven to the party by their parents, to the point that the hosts had to make a "no alcohol" rule.  For a California furry party...

The kids who moved in en masse to the furry scene and the parties over a span of a couple years were actually, amazingly NOT into sex.  In fact, they were complaining on line about being groped or hearing suggestive or risque comments, etc.  These days, exposing a minor to anything the slightest tad sexual is a capital offense - literally, as you may very well be snuffed if you end up in jail for damaging the morals of a minor. 

So, the furry parties got even more tame. 

And, recently, in a fit of rationality, I posted a very brief message on the Yahoo group site for the party, suggesting that any females who were interested, might take note of the fact that I was heterosexual, single, available... Say hello, please.

This got an amazing flame from an apparent troll, who found my heterosexuality massively offensive and disgusting.  And one of the party hosts chimed in in condemning me for using their message board for my "personal want ad."   This from a party that used to be notorious at the previous location for its "private room."

What's bizarre is how thoroughly the media have misread the furry movement, which has apparently been taken over by the gay taliban.  So, what are gays to do, now that their major proclivity has become booooring?


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Thursday, March 11, 2010 - 9:51pmSanction this postReply
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Phil, without in the least trying to sound hostile, is your complaint that the gay furries aren't interested in sex, or that the straight ones are too young to ply with liquor, or both?

It has been my experience that you very rarely find what you want when more than two people are involved, especially if they plan the event. Why be so passive? Start your own party.



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Thursday, March 11, 2010 - 10:08pmSanction this postReply
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I do not care with whom you sleep.

I do not approve of  a government just small enough to fit within your bedroom.

Neither do I make a virtue out of homosexuality ... or of any sexuality per se.

Those who seek a moral sanction from others should first question the moral superiority of said others.


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Thursday, March 11, 2010 - 10:31pmSanction this postReply
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There is an article in the newspaper about a woman in Florida who was driving to meet her boyfriend, and to get ready for the 'meeting' she also trying to shave her bikini area - while driving. As if this weren't weird enough, her ex-husband was riding with her, and he reached over and took the steering wheel so she could concentrate on the shaving process. He evidently wasn't focused in the correct direction, because they ran into the back of a car ahead of them.

Now, I thought that was the weird story of the day... maybe of the week, but then, right here on RoR I read about the terrible travails of a long-time furry suffering as the changing furry party demographics leave his sexual wants left out in the cold. It's enough to make one leave their rabbit suit in the closet.


(Edited by Teresa Summerlee Isanhart on 3/13, 7:27pm)

(Edited by Teresa Summerlee Isanhart on 3/13, 7:28pm)


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Friday, March 12, 2010 - 4:15amSanction this postReply
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To Phil, not every furry (ex-furry here) has ever been interested in being turned into a living sex toy. In fact, that's what has driven a wedge in the community at large to the point that some folks simply left the community out right (myself included). For some it's a kink, for the rest it's just a fandom (usually around a particular animated series or whatever). I don't care if the kids are taking over, good on them if they love the fandom. It just proves the point that not everyone has to be into a kink to be a geek.

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Friday, March 12, 2010 - 6:35amSanction this postReply
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Yes, maybe if Porter and Coward came back today they'd be straight, but in that case everybody else would be as queer as a coot.

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Friday, March 12, 2010 - 8:28amSanction this postReply
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The reason I posted this quote was because of Steyn's usual wittiness and because I thought it captured the joylessness of the left. (They are actually trying to make it illegal for restaurants to cook with salt in NY now.)

Nothing Steyn said had anything to do with anyone's quest to have sex with underage children or seeking the moral sanction of Michael E Marotta. This bizarre Rorschach makes me think that clinical psychologists must be underpaid.

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Friday, March 12, 2010 - 3:26pmSanction this postReply
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I'm not sure the left is so joyless and I'm not sure that being gay makes one desire a life any different than everyone else.

Steyn is a dope. He wouldn't know a good time if I came up and bit him on the ass.

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Friday, March 12, 2010 - 3:31pmSanction this postReply
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...and what the hell does "furry" mean?

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Friday, March 12, 2010 - 5:24pmSanction this postReply
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Steve, Google the term, but beware. As for the quote, yes I love it. :3

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Friday, March 12, 2010 - 5:28pmSanction this postReply
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Steyn isn't a dope, but you're still funny as hell, Steve.

By "joyless," I think Ted means the inability to experience non-contradictory joy. The left is full of contradictions, therefore, joy really isn't possible to them.


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Friday, March 12, 2010 - 6:35pmSanction this postReply
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Well, the quote is about 40 minutes into podcast number five at ricochet.com for anyone who wants to hear Steyn in context. (Clink on the link under the quote.) Steyn is the closest Canada and New Hampshire have to Christopher Hitchens. He needs no defenders.

I once worked for Christopher Street magazine, a now defunct but once highly regarded gay literary magazine. I met some really funny people (I met Quentin Crisp, (below, as Queen Elizabeth, in Orlando) among others) and some really joyless people. Not people whose joy was contradictory, but people totally bereft thereof. Bereft. Thereof. Totally.





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Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 3:33pmSanction this postReply
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I find it interesting that so many people - including the aforesaid host of the furry party - immediatly assumed that when I suggested that interested females might say hello, that I was somehow referring to underage females, to begin with, and that I was ready, as well, to jump into the sack with whoever said "hello."

Some people, such as Ted, I assume will adopt the most extreme possible interpretation, because (a) their own minds are stuck in some nasty channel and they immediately conjure up something that matches or (b) they are simply a troll (Ted) and that's what trolls do, look for the way to do the most damage and do it.

While it seems unfair in the extreme that I should have to defend myself against positions I have never taken or expressed, just for the record, I am rather selective in who I talk to, much less get physically intimate with. 

In the past two decades, in spite of being physically in pretty good shape (At a recent doctor's visit, the doctor could not understand why I would have arthritis - at my age.  Then she read the chart and realized that I was 20 years older than what she had assumed.), a decent conversationalist from most accounts, intellectually sharp, and moderately well-off, active socially, and committed to strong moral positions - in spite of all that, I can count the dates - none of which led to intimacy - over the past couple decades on one hand.

Sad.  So, you can imagine how it feels when I post a simple expression of my normal and natural wants, intended as an innocent ice-breaker, and immediately I'm labeled as a child-molestor, and, once the labeling is made, I have to read a cascade of opinions based on someone else's unsupported vitriole, and then respond as though I am a guilty party.  In the face of this pernicious anti-sex (meaning anti-life, anti-man, etc.) nonsense, I find that when I become aware of or focus on those normal, healthy desires, now I find myself recalling the hatred and vitriole. 

Maybe I should become a troll like Ted, who at least manages to get some of what he wants.


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Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 4:57pmSanction this postReply
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Phil you totally miss the point. No one gives a good goddamn about your sex life. We all have sexual frustrations at some point. I for one couldn't get a date if I had panties woven with gold thread.
I'm not complaining though. Most people aren't worth the time it takes to unzip one's pants.


I had to edit my post to comment on this furry business since I asked about it.

Looking up "furry" brought me to the wikipedia page for "Furry Fandom". I don't even have to go through the whole thing to understand that this is really cracked. Haha! I'll go, if you like, as long as I can dress as Jessica Rabbit.
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Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 6:22pmSanction this postReply
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Oh, no, Steve. Don't you dare try to hog the spotlight. I take full responsibility for ruining Phil's life, his sexlife, his access to airconditioning and wifi at the local Wendy's, and his relations with the brown and yellow races.

-myxzptlk

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Sunday, March 14, 2010 - 1:47pmSanction this postReply
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They're everywhere!   They're everywhere!

Thanks to Bridget, outing herself as a former furry.

According to Mark Merlino, one of the pair who founded the furry movement, the major distinguishing thing about being a furry - and virtually the only thing that most furries have in common - is a commitment to self-definition. 

The costumes (which only a small minority of furries even possess) and totemic animals and furry names are, for most furrs, just social and personal cues to keep them focused on changing who they are - e.g., geeky gay teen afraid of being outed to ones family - into what they want to be - personally wise, cool, powerful, courageous and creative adult.  (Not the only example, by far, but one common one in my experience.)  Instead of the pimply nerd with the cracking voice, wearing the costume or just a tail lets them project the personality of Disney's Lion King.  Compare it to kittens at play with all kinds of ferocious mock battles, growling, etc.

And, or course, this whole process has been modeled in endless permutation through most of human history.  Even now, the women of the Himba tribe in Africa, sometimes referred to as the most beautiful women on earth, are reported to dress up as lions or tigers and act out fantasies in the belief that they will thereby acquire the strength or courage of the animals.  Something is working here, as they are also notorious for being self-determined, starting and running most of the businesses, rather than the men.

I mentioned my travails at a recent local meetup that had nothing to do with furries, and right-away discovered that one of the other attendees was a furry - and made money to help support his college expenses writing furry fiction. 

So, without much fanfare or publicitiy, this huge movement has been evolving under the radar.  Perhaps in response to the mindless, boring, regimented and largely useless public education that the kids are forced to endure, the kids are, once again, striking out on their own.  For the majority of them who, as furries, are simply engaging in a coming of age process, I don't see any problem with objectivism.


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Monday, March 15, 2010 - 1:37pmSanction this postReply
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"If Oscar Wilde and Cole Porter came back today they'd be straight."
 
I doubt Oscar Wilde would have engaged in hetero sex just to be non PC. As he put it, he tried hetero and didn't much enjoy it.


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Monday, March 15, 2010 - 3:28pmSanction this postReply
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I hope you are not suffering under the illusion that sodomites participate in buggery because they enjoy it?

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Monday, March 15, 2010 - 10:19pmSanction this postReply
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Ted: "I hope you are not suffering under the illusion that sodomites participate in buggery because they enjoy it?"

Are you saying that gay men consent to anal sex despite not enjoying it?

A peek at Craiglist.com's m4m section should quickly disabuse that notion.

Or are you being wry and attempting wit here?

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Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 10:00amSanction this postReply
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I take it that you are the guy who keeps posting as "bi-curious"?


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