And, once upon a time we had a good group in place - from the founding fathers on through most of our history we had adequate people in place, until the Fabian Socialists got our schools all turned around and we came to find ourselves a dumbed down nation of entitlement whiners and elitist control freaks. Steve Wolfer http://rebirthofreason.com/Forum/GeneralForum/1715.shtml#11